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Old 11-08-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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Well, yeah, it does make sense. If one is not 12 years old - one realizes the necessity of a strong two-party system of checks and balances.

Not one majority party and a second bat-shyte crazy party.

I realize that may be a bit beyond you.

GOP is busy dumping the tea party like yesterdays' burrito. Any corporate sponsors they have are busy doing the same.

All that's left to do ~ flush.
typical

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D & R are just political designations... my guess is that you want republicans as long as they are liberal and not actual conservatives (aka those bat-shyte crazy people)

honestly your not interested in checks and balances unless the majority party are republicans
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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There have been many labels applied to the spontaneous action by many on the right. None of which were accurate or even relevant.

The biggest issue here, is that none of these "TEA Party is dead" posters have the faintest clue what they're talking about. They don't know who it is, what they are after, how they came to be, or what they're doing. They just repeat (and some are gullible enough to believe) talking points from their liberal heroes.
The Leftists have always been afraid of the "Tea Party" - partly because they didn't understand it and mostly because it was a true grass roots and populist uprising with no leadership to Demonize. The real threat of the "Tea Party" has always been to the GOP establishment. The GOP picks candidates and then tells the Republicans, Fiscal and Social Conservatives who they may vote for. The "Tea Party" resists that and prefers to pick the candidate they will vote for. I guess they might be running their own candidates in some areas, but they mostly look at the primary field and choose the one they like best. The danger is that some of these "Tea Party" chosen and just bad candidates that play on what they think the Tea Party wants.

According to the Leftists - the Tea Party is a scary thing that just won't "die". First they were fake and Astro-Turf, then they were dead, then they were dead, then they were dead and now they are "dead" again. The Tea Party is clearly the walking dead at this point, since they refuse to stay "dead".

The Leftists used the power of the IRS to try and "kill" the Tea Party for the 2012 elections, they have audited them, threatened them and investigated them. Intimidation did not "kill" them, so the smears are back in full force. They have nothing left but to Demonize.

Democrats try to make 'Tea Party' a smear - USA Today

I think that Rand Paul is probably the one true "Tea Party" candidate - his roots are certainly with the original Tea Party, but he has taken a different path than his father did. People like Michelle Bachmamn have tried to co-opt the Tea Party and make herself a 'star'. Ted Cruz was supported by the grass-roots Tea Party, but they didn't find him or promote him as a candidate - he was already running for office before any of them even knew his name. The "Tea Party" chose Cruz over Dewhurst in Texas because it doesn't get any more Crony Establishment than Dewhurst.

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"The Republican brand and the Tea Party brand are one and the same and people do not like either,'' said Mo Elleithee, Democratic National Committee spokesman."There is no distinction in the mind of voters.''

By emphasizing the Tea Party ties of social conservatives such as Cuccinelli, Young, and former Missouri congressman Todd Akin, Democrats are able to blur the distinction between the limited government/less spending origins of the Tea Party and the staunch opposition to gay marriage and abortion of Republican conservatives.

Democrats conflate the Tea Party and the GOP "because they see that it hurts us,'' says Keli Carender, national grass-roots director of the Tea Party Patriots. "Social issues are so hot button that it's easy for Democrats to make them the main point when they're talking about somebody.''
See how this works??? Any Republican is now a "Tea Party" candidate. They will have a tough time hanging that label on Chris Christie, but they will try. Pay attention - it's not Republicans or Tea Party folks that constantly bring up these Social Issues …. it's the Leftists and the Democrats that do that.

The Democrats and the Leftists have to run on a phony "War on Women" and the variety of "War ON" because they cannot allow any discussion of their disastrous handling of the economy and their Big Government encroachment on our freedoms. They count on smear tactics because that's all they've got.

Never forget - the Democrats and Leftists are anti-Constitution, the Tea Party is very pro-Constitution and this is the biggest distinction between them.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Well stated. As far as the Tea Party is concerned, stick a fork in 'em, they are done.
Nah they aint done yet,2016 they'll throw some loser like Cruz or Paul up as their Presidential candidate, they'll lose then they'll spend another 4 years whining,bellyaching and hating on Democrats because their Teaguy didnt win..
Seems to be what they like to do
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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All of my fearless predictions (except one or two) have come true so far, so heads up:

With the debacle of the CR/debt ceiling gambit blowing up in their faces, coupled with the results this week from the elections in NJ and Virginia, the Jim DeMint- led TP is FINISHED as an element in national politics. The Republicans are SICK of watching yahoos lose winnable elections. The GOP establishment, with Wall Street's backing, will succeed in shoving the monster back into the lab. The operation will be bloody, but will be accomplished in time for the 2014 elections. The TP has outlived its usefulness, and is a liability for the GOP. It will be restricted to state and local races in backwards jurisdictions, until it finally fades away.

The good news: the nation will have two responsible parties again , with competing visions, but both believing in democracy and government.

The bad news: No more clown car presidential fields. MAN, those guys were hilarious!

The GOP presidential candidates in 2016 will be four or five successful current and former governors, who will have broad appeal, and give Clinton a real run for her money!

Tea Party RIP. You won't be missed.
Sorry pal, but the principles of the Tea party movement are not dependent upon the outcome of elections.

The principle of holding politicians accountable for preserving the Constitutional rights and freedoms of the people is not election driven. We will not dismiss $17 trillion in debt over who did, or did not win an election. We do not acquiesce to the NSA spying on us, the IRS harassing us, and the ACA destroying our health care simply because Chris Chistie and Terry McAuliffe won an election.

Those "two responsible parties" you swoon over, are responsible for the economic disaster that has become our economy, they are responsible for $17+ trillion in debt.

My question to you and those on the left, is when will you EVER start trying to hold your politicians responsible for anything they do?

The only ones holding government accountable was the TEA party, and posibly the OWS movement. The only ones trying to hold the Federal Reserve accountable are the Socialist Bernie Sanders and the Tea Party affiliated Republicans like Rand Paul. If we left it up to the "two responsible parties"the Federal Reserve would never be held accountable.

Wake the **** up and stop being played for a partisan stooge, and useful idiot.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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Exactly.............they projected the Democrat to have 14 point victory in Virginia ....

It was a squeaker................Obamacare is the reason!! If the employer mandate had not been pushed out til 2014, more people would have lost their coverage and Virginia would have a GOP Governor.

This is gonna be ugly for the Dems...........
Horseshoes and Hand grenades.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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Nah they aint done yet,2016 they'll throw some loser like Cruz or Paul up as their Presidential candidate, they'll lose then they'll spend another 4 years whining,bellyaching and hating on Democrats because their Teaguy didnt win..
Seems to be what they like to do
So nothing matters to you, as long as your guy wins?

We have a poverty rate in the US at a fifty year high, $17 trillion in debt, 40 million on Food Stamps and none of this is of concern to you because your guy won, that is you problem.

It's the same problem with of all these partisan idiots, on both sides, as long as politicians from their political party wins an election, they will ignore the destruction of everything around them.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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o has created his second legacy. He created a political machine designed to marginalize the opposition, and manipulate the voting base - not to promote a political ideology.

When it's a machine, it's not representation. The democrat agenda is now merely to recruit voting blocks by entitlements. And Romney was correct, that cannot be beaten. You cannot persuade people with sweat and hard work when they are bought and paid for with candy and cake.

And the icing on the cake is the democrat party actively backing the libertarian candidate to siphon any vote from the opposition. That's voter fraud by another name. While o did not pioneer voter fraud, he did get his first political position using it and did polish the process - it's the same process in use today. The media is complicit.
You are correct about the Obama "political machine" - Obama has essentially taken over the Democratic Party and replaced it with his own 'machine' called OFA. Obama moved the DNC to Chicago and had his own people put in charge - he has a massive data base and he controls it, NOT the DNC. He keeps the letters OFA, but the meaning of those letters "changes" as needed. Obama For America became Organizing For America and then Organizing for Action - the OFA is sucking up all the funding it can that used to go to the Democratic National Committee and Obama has complete control of it. The DNC is in debt right now and Obama constantly campaigns for money. He didn't give that money to Dem candidates that ran in 2010 or 2012 - he kept it all for himself and that's part of why he lost the House.

I'm not even sure there is a working Democratic Party anymore. Read Bob Woodward's latest book - The Price of Politics. I do disagree with your statement about Obama's Ideology - he certainly has one, but it's mainly about POWER for himself and what HE thinks this country should be.

The Democrats (if there are any left) should be a lot more worried about what has happened in their own party than the Tea Party that is holding the feet of Republicans to the fire. The Tea Party has always been about Republicans, fiscal responsibility, the Constitution and the balloon of Big Government -- none of that should 'threaten' Democrats, it's interesting that they are so frightened of those things.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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We have a poverty rate in the US at a fifty year high, $17 trillion in debt, 40 million on Food Stamps and none of this is of concern to you because your guy won, that is you problem.
And the Republicans solution to all these problems is to throw all the less fortunate under the bus and repeal or defund all manner of social programs.
With Republicans wanting to cut all manner of social programs because in their opinion apparently 47% of the country are nothing more than entitlement bums on welfare, think like that and i'm voting for the other guy no matter who he is..

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Old 11-08-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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1) Republicans led by Tea Party leaning members asked for the Individual Mandate to be delayed.
Fighting against Obamacare.

2) A week after the partial shutdown (13% of government) Obamacare exposed for what it is.



Conclusion and right in the forefront of the public eye?
Dems with Obama at the helm screwed us.

And 10 days after that we have 15 DEMOCRAT senators up for reelection begging Obama to delay the indivisual mandate out of fear they will lose in 2014.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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And the Republicans solution to all these problems is to throw all the less fortunate under the bus and repeal or defund all manner of social programs.
With Republicans wanting to cut all manner of social programs because in their opinion apparently 47% of the country are nothing more than entitlement bums on welfare, think like that and i'm voting for the other guy no matter who he is..
BAck up the bold part with some crediable source....I know you cannot...but you can attempt....if you would like....
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