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Old 11-11-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Someone else mentioned Costa Rica which is not socialist but does have nationalized areas of business.
Venezuela seems to be going down the path of completely removing capitalism from it's society.
A completely socialized country would work provided there was no corruption within the government. That is usually where the problem lies.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A completely socialized country would work provided there was no corruption within the government. That is usually where the problem lies.
There's more to it than just stemming corruption.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You do realize this policy would disenfranchise (according to neo-proggies) large amounts of blacks and latinos. You're ok with this?
I disagree with you, if we provided the same education to everyone regardless of their skin color growing up, by the time they reach testing for college it would be completely based on those test scores. Disenfranchise happens when not everyone is given the same playing field to begin with and then expected to preform better later on.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I disagree with you, if we provided the same education to everyone regardless of their skin color growing up, by the time they reach testing for college it would be completely based on those test scores. Disenfranchise happens when not everyone is given the same playing field to begin with and then expected to preform better later on.
We do. States provide the curriculum and there are state tests that test the curriculum has been taught.
Everyone is giving the same playing field with curriculum and class sizes and qualifications to be teaching in that room.

The variables at play are outside of the classroom and even extra money (Title 1) isn't helping.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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There's more to it than just stemming corruption.
Like what?
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I disagree with you, if we provided the same education to everyone regardless of their skin color growing up, by the time they reach testing for college it would be completely based on those test scores. Disenfranchise happens when not everyone is given the same playing field to begin with and then expected to preform better later on.
The growing up part is not material to this conversation. Even in Venezuela the quality of elementary education will vary between people who are friends and family with the government versus a commoner.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They only have to go to school for 9 years in Venezuela but at least those dropping out after 9 years can read, write and do math.
Only 11% go on to college.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I am not sure I agree with you here, most oil rich countries produce a lot of money for the very top which makes a country look more economically attractive. I know during the Chavez era basically everyone got free education to the point that you had to leave the country to find work if you were a doctor because there were too many doctors. I haven't really paid much attention to the country in a few years, so I can't speak with certainty about any changes that might of happened, but still interesting to read about.
Lol classic liberal logic. They weren't "too many doctors". Fascinating how people think you simply spend money on education and poof miracles. There needs to be an outlet for these people to practice their trade. If you have unions and government policy that makes it difficult for folks to be hired. If you protect workers who are unproductive you have simply limited the number of jobs available to graduates.

Also oil rich countries do quite a bit for the poor. The main thing they do is subsidize cheaper oil prices. In Venezuela this amounts to about $10 billion a year. This depletes their foreign reserves which leads to the black market rate discrepancy. Now add these new price controls and the stampede for dollars will grow more intense.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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Sadly this country is spiraling out of control.
The more the government takes over with controls the worse it seems to get.
And the black market there is growing by leaps and bounds.

And with such shortages in goods and stagnant salaries many found time to wait in line for big screen TVs.
And this is the country who has a TP shortage because the government took over the TP factory.

Venezuelan shoppers amass outside seized stores
At 1:30 a.m., shoppers were still arriving to join the hundreds who began amassing in the afternoon after price inspectors said they found evidence of "usury" and Maduro ordered the chain's "occupation." In a televised address Friday night, the president vowed to reopen the stores Saturday and unload their stock of plasma televisions, washing machines and other seized merchandise at "fair prices."
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The Friday night frenzy, described by one bargain hunter as an "organized looting," cut across Venezuela's normally insurmountable political divide — a reflection of how near-record 54 percent inflation and shortages of basic goods such as milk and toilet paper are affecting all families in South America's biggest oil producer.
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Jose Solano, shopper number 223, sides with Maduro and blames an "economic war" waged by enemies of the socialist revolution started by the late Hugo Chavez for pushing up prices beyond reach. With his son, he plans to spend the night sleeping in line so they can purchase a 46-inch, Sony plasma TV at a quarter of the 54,000 bolivar listed price still visible through the glass store front. The TV costs $8,571 at the official exchange rate and about $1,000 at the black market rate.
So what's your point? You suggesting that we should invade Venezuela, take them over and "make" that country a democracy like we have here? Are you a supporter of "American imperialism" now? Otherwise, WHAT is your point?
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So once he empties out the stores and has all the owners/managers in jail and is back in office then what will he do ?
This man has very short sighted thinking on his part.
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