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View Poll Results: Consequence for doctor refusing Medicare/Medicaid patients?
Nothing, and I support their decision. 128 69.57%
Nothing, however I do not support their decision. 21 11.41%
Force them to take at least x% (e.g. 50%) of patients or lose license 19 10.33%
Revoke license immediately (can only practice at VA hospitals as punishment) 1 0.54%
Revoke license (unconditionally and permanently) 2 1.09%
Revoke license, jail (felony charge) 0 0%
Revoke license, hard labor (to better understand what it means to be a commoner) 4 2.17%
Capital punishment 9 4.89%
Voters: 184. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-11-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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Of course! Housing and food are necessary. How dare you!?!?!!11!!

Venezuela even found out recently that even toilet paper and major appliances are necessary for survival.
They're about to find out that government can't provide those things.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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Or maybe the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.
that too.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:26 PM
 
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Just left my Endodontist's office where this subject came up. He said there's several of his doctor friends that are doing Concierge. $2k per year per family member gets you pretty much 24/7 access. No insurance accepted.
Being the Endo pays $10k/yr for medical it'll save him at least $2k/yr. Nope not just a "fluff piece".
2K a year is less than 200/mo. Not bad at all. Sounds like an excellent deal.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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People read some "fluff" piece about this stuff and think there's some huge surge of doctors doing this. I do not know of ONE in the metro Denver area (or anywhere, actually, other than those I read about here on CD) who is doing this, and I work in health care. I don't even know doctors who have cash only practices. I do know that "cash only" is sometimes done to get around insurance regs that are in place for a reason, as patient safeguards. Yes, there are some positives about insurance.
Problem is, at most, there will only ever be about 1% or less doing this. These will mostly be ideologues, predominantly from the neo-Confederate states, and doctors who have located their offices in or very close to wealthy neighborhoods
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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Problem is, at most, there will only ever be about 1% or less doing this. These will mostly be ideologues, predominantly from the neo-Confederate states, and doctors who have located their offices in or very close to wealthy neighborhoods
Wrong. You just made that up, and it's nonsense.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: southern california
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why should i serve rude ungrateful confrontational people that mostly like to file lawsuits and medical complaints. people that refuse to practice preventative medicine and then expect the doctor to fix it.
and then get paid late and substandard?
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:33 PM
 
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Wrong. You just made that up, and it's nonsense.
I'm more accurate than the claims of surges of doctors going concierge. There will always be the few who go outside the mainstream. That is not considered any kind of revolution. I put that on the same list as North Colorado becoming the 51st state or Texas declaring independence. Small chance of it happening, but realistically, it won't
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Newport Coast, California
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2K a year is less than 200/mo. Not bad at all. Sounds like an excellent deal.
Not really, that is only for access to the doctor. That typically does not cover any of other other associated costs with even routine medical care. You have any major illness, that won't be covered and your bill would be astronomical without insurance.

In addition to the concierge costs, you would still have to carry catastrophic insurance at a minimum, in addition to paying for all the services mentioned above. Plus that number is PER PERSON. so a family of four would spend nearly $1000/mo, PLUS the costs of catastrophic coverage. Thus it really isn't cheaper than carrying insurance, including all the new plans on the insurance exchanges.

Concierge practice works well here in wealthy communities, it is a luxury. For most people, it does not make financial sense and is not attainable.

Which again only begs the question, why don't we go to single payer like other developed countries like Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden.....
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: NC
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You know what is funny about this thread is it ignores all the doctors dropping private insurance (or in truth, selling out practices to hospital corporations) so they don't have to deal with the massive headache they have become.

Sorta leaves the only long term options of one insurance system (the "medicare for all") or no insurance system for anyone. Either way, Government will pay the vast majority of this, as they already cover 65% of it now.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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Not really, that is only for access to the doctor. That typically does not cover any of other other associated costs with even routine medical care. You have any major illness, that won't be covered and your bill would be astronomical without insurance.

In addition to the concierge costs, you would still have to carry catastrophic insurance at a minimum, in addition to paying for all the services mentioned above. Plus that number is PER PERSON. so a family of four would spend nearly $1000/mo, PLUS the costs of catastrophic coverage. Thus it really isn't cheaper than carrying insurance, including all the new plans on the insurance exchanges.

Concierge practice works well here in wealthy communities, it is a luxury. For most people, it does not make financial sense and is not attainable.

Which again only begs the question, why don't we go to single payer like other developed countries like Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden.....
concierge medicine is for the rich and the well off. it has benefits that the average person wont get from a government regulated system or even a private insurance company, and that is privacy and 24/7 access to their doctor. if you needed to see your doctor at say 3am, chances are that if you called them they would tell you to call the office or 911. a concierge doctor on the other had would ge tout of bed and double time it to the rich person and see them. and the concierge isnt going to be filing any government or insurance company reports, and they certainly are not going to be telling people who their clients are. and tell you the truth, $8000 per month for a family of four is small price to pay for all the advantages of a concierge doctor.

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You know what is funny about this thread is it ignores all the doctors dropping private insurance (or in truth, selling out practices to hospital corporations) so they don't have to deal with the massive headache they have become.

Sorta leaves the only long term options of one insurance system (the "medicare for all") or no insurance system for anyone. Either way, Government will pay the vast majority of this, as they already cover 65% of it now.
actually it has been touched on several times in this thread, and others.
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