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Old 11-10-2013, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Consistency is one trait that Kerry has......

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/wo...alks.html?_r=0
Don't remember Reagan's Reykjavík Summit of 1986? It collapsed at the last second, but eventually resulted in a agreement later on. Not every talk has instant results. Some are just stepping stones to them.


As the Secretary of State said in the article

"It takes time to build confidence between countries that have really been at odds with each other for a long time now"
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Yeah but those zealotry imbued azzhats believe mutally assured destruction comes with a 72 virgin perk.

I don't see how that is any different then the promise of "everlasting life"?

Both are the promise of future experience.

Both, unverifiable.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:09 AM
 
Location: New-Dentist Colony
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You make two bad asumptions.

1. That iran actually have democratic elections. The canidates allowed to run are picked by the alatolahs

2. That what is said in english is the same as what is said in arabic.
Arabic? Wow--that really makes your level of knowledge on the subject clear. Iranians speak Farsi--not Arabic.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Iran isn't America's problem. We are 6,000 miles from Iran and are $17 trillion in debt. It's not our place to gallivant around the globe on a debt-fueled binge trying to intercede into local disputes in central Asia and the greater Mideast.

Our best option is to take the same approach to Iran that China takes - not much concern beyond trade.
Stability in the middle east would work to our advantage, how much did negotiations cost. This included the European Union, US, Russia and China, failure would be a negative for everyone. Next time oil prices escalate because of problems in the middle east tell me Iran is so far away from the US that they are insignificant.

I don't have a lot of faith in the US being able to lift sanctions on Iran since that would require approval by congress.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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Stability in the middle east would work to our advantage
Yes, it would. However, our ideas of what might bring stability to the mideast have been rather goofy in recent decades. We had "serious" foreign policy strategists in 2002 arguing that invading Iraq would have that effect. That's the quality of thinking that we apply when dealing with the mideast.

Negotiations - if they work - are great.

But the underlying notion that Iran is our little pet project to micromanage merely leads to policy distortions on our part. It's best to keep our distance to the extent possible.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Iran isn't America's problem. We are 6,000 miles from Iran and are $17 trillion in debt. It's not our place to gallivant around the globe on a debt-fueled binge trying to intercede into local disputes in central Asia and the greater Mideast.

Our best option is to take the same approach to Iran that China takes - not much concern beyond trade.
Its in the interests of the United States to halt Iran's nuclear program. If sanctions are temporary relieved, in a temporary agreement, the agreement should not leave any room to Iran to advance further its nuclear program and should even make Iran's nuclear program regress somehow. If not, Iran will become a regional power, dictating to the world what it wants on it's conditions. Iran will continue extorting its terroristic activities worldwide and will become almost impossible to dissolve once nuclear.

Its very immature to use the "debt" excuse (which is never going to go away anyhow no matter what anyone does) over national security risks of the USA and abroad.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Is that right? Are we at war with Iran? What state of the Utopian opiate are the US and Iran in?

Are we both hitting the opiate pipe? Are our two countries at war, but we at both so stoned to differentiate?

Somebody is hittin something this morning.

Just keep telling your self back away from the "402" Chimuelo, back away easy.

Inside joke folks no need for others to correct me.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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The current Iranian regime doesn't want peace in the middle east. They never have. Even the most naive knew it was a ploy, but not Obama and Kerry. They bought it hook line and sinker. What fools.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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The current Iranian regime doesn't want peace in the middle east. They never have. Even the most naive knew it was a ploy, but not Obama and Kerry. They bought it hook line and sinker. What fools. The village has two idiots and they are in charge..
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:44 PM
 
Location: texas
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Stability in the middle east would work to our advantage, how much did negotiations cost. This included the European Union, US, Russia and China, failure would be a negative for everyone. Next time oil prices escalate because of problems in the middle east tell me Iran is so far away from the US that they are insignificant.

I don't have a lot of faith in the US being able to lift sanctions on Iran since that would require approval by congress.
If The US could get concrete, verifiable, inspect-able changes in Iran's nuclear program...what would be the reason not to lift [some]sanctions? Is not sanctions the reason were imposed... to force closure of the enrichment program?
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