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Old 11-26-2013, 06:40 AM
 
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Pure money grab!!

 
Old 11-26-2013, 06:41 AM
 
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Because they need healthy people paying into the system and not using the services so that they can pay for infinite claims for the old and chronically sick that are all signing up.

That was published in June 2010 and buried in the Federal Register that no one reads anymore.

Yes, a disaster created and implemented by democrats only. It will be interesting to see if Obama can legally delay the employer mandate until after the November elections. I am sure that there will be legal wrangling to see that it is implemented prior to the elections, so that the nation can appreciate all of the good work that thier democrat representatives have done for them.

Imagine the teeth gnashing and howling after nearly half of the current insured citizens lose thier health insurance over a political disaster crafted by the dems.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes, a disaster created and implemented by democrats only. It will be interesting to see if Obama can legally delay the employer mandate until after the November elections. I am sure that there will be legal wrangling to see that it is implemented prior to the elections, so that the nation can appreciate all of the good work that thier democrat representatives have done for them.

Imagine the teeth gnashing and howling after nearly half of the current insured citizens lose thier health insurance over a political disaster crafted by the dems.
They are only creating a bigger problem by pushing out all their funding sources.
And that will make Obamacare blow up in deficit spending sooner rather than later.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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With the implementation of the employer mandate in November 2014 (now delayed until after the elections), it is estimated that 80 million additional Americans will lose with healthcare coverage.


Almost 80 million with employer health care plans could have coverage canceled, experts predict | Fox News
Here is some math

1. 80 million (employer mandate) + 6 million (indidivdual mandate) - 30 million (previously uninsured)= 56 million more Americans without healthcare.

2. Higher premiums for most Americans previously with healthcare

3. Higher deductibles for those previously with healthcare

4. $3.2 trillion in additional government costs

5. higher taxes

6. $ 750 billion taken from medicare


This is a plan designed in hell to inflict, on the balance, mayhem and injury on the population.
I agree. The Heritage Foundation is the hell hole of political thought.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 06:53 AM
 
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With the implementation of the employer mandate in November 2014 (now delayed until after the elections), it is estimated that 80 million additional Americans will lose with healthcare coverage.


Almost 80 million with employer health care plans could have coverage canceled, experts predict | Fox News
Here is some math

1. 80 million (employer mandate) + 6 million (indidivdual mandate) - 30 million (previously uninsured)= 56 million more Americans without healthcare.

2. Higher premiums for most Americans previously with healthcare

3. Higher deductibles for those previously with healthcare

4. $3.2 trillion in additional government costs

5. higher taxes

6. $ 750 billion taken from medicare


This is a plan designed in hell to inflict, on the balance, mayhem and injury on the population.
And on the other end of the spectrum, hospitals are having to cut their budgets which means more people will get laid off and be unemployed and uninsured! Geez, the healthcare industry used to be the one job market that was in high demand. Obama is like the Juggernaut, leaving a path of destruction as he moves ahead.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 06:54 AM
 
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I agree. The Heritage Foundation is the hell hole of political thought.
To bad they did not impliment this...100% owned by the dems....
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I agree. The Heritage Foundation is the hell hole of political thought.
Nice try pushing this blame but if it was proposed by the "Right" the Dems embraced it 100% and pushed it into law.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama must have thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.
Baucus already removed himself from the picture and is retiring.
Liz Fowler is back in industry working for Johnson&Johnson.

The Dems had the House, Senate and Oval Office.
Obamacare passed with ZERO Republican votes.
The Dems had their chance to do real reform but didn't.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:01 AM
 
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I agree. The Heritage Foundation is the hell hole of political thought.

It is amusing to hear the views of libs, as it is impossible for them to defend this disaster on a factual, rational basis, thus the above comment.

The democrats OWN OBAMACARE and all of its problems. I will love to hear democrat politicians up for election in 2014 trying to explain themselves. That will be amusing. There will be citizens, when faced with losing thier healthcare, who will be out for blood.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:03 AM
 
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It is amusing to hear the views of libs, as it is impossible for them to defend this disaster on a factual, rational basis, thus the above comment.

The democrats OWN OBAMACARE and all of its problems. I will love to hear democrat politicians up for election in 2014 trying to explain themselves. That will be amusing. There will be citizens, when faced with losing thier healthcare, who will be out for blood.
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Yep and

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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Nice try pushing this blame but if it was proposed by the "Right" the Dems embraced it 100% and pushed it into law.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama must have thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.
Baucus already removed himself from the picture and is retiring.
Liz Fowler is back in industry working for Johnson&Johnson.

The Dems had the House, Senate and Oval Office.
Obamacare passed with ZERO Republican votes.
The Dems had their chance to do real reform but didn't.
Yep!
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:10 AM
 
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Obama's plan all along was to delay the majority of the ACA until after his re election attempts.

Dems are in denial if they think the man would have been elected if the main portions of the ACA had taken place by early 2012. No way Obama risks it.

Now Obama is trying to delay the insurance open enrollment for year 2015 (usually it's in October 1 2014) He wants to delay it until 2 weeks AFTER the mid term elections so he can continue to hide raising insurance costs to be set for year 2015.

This goal is to try to protect the Democrats and the off chance they may win back the House so they would control the entire Congress and the WH.

That's the only way the Dems know they can "fix" the ACA the way they envision it (raise even more taxes, expand medicaid even more).
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