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Old 12-08-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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You should not have a right to healthcare.
In a civilized culture/society you should Cruelty is so overrated

 
Old 12-08-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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In a civilized culture/society you should Cruelty is so overrated
I agree that HC is not a natural Right. But as we have a wealthy, advanced and caring society we should effectively make it so.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I agree that HC is not a natural Right. But as we have a wealthy, advanced and caring society we should effectively make it so.
I thought 99% were poor?
 
Old 12-08-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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It's high time people start paying their own way in life. Everyone has a right to healthcare. The problem for you is you want other people to pay for yours.
Ahh, I love hearing this well thought out statement that the Anti ACA love to use. Problem is, you already pay for other peoples healthcare

Uninsured person comes into the ER with an appendices, gets surgery, and is released 4 days afterwards. He declares bankruptcy because he cant afford the bill. So guess who picks it up? The insured and taxpayers. Hence again, why we already have a large part of our healthcare socialized thanks to Reagan singing EMTALA in 1986. So once again.....the cost of medicine doesn't operate in a vacuum like you think and the cots of it is shifted amongst everybody else. But please continue to believ what you already do
 
Old 12-08-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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I thought 99% were poor?
My geographic locale is the 5th poorest in the USA. But as a whole, we are far from poor.

LHC, BHC, and Kingman - 5th poorest area in the country!!
 
Old 12-08-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Ahh, I love hearing this well thought out statement that the Anti ACA love to use. Problem is, you already pay for other peoples healthcare

Uninsured person comes into the ER with an appendices, gets surgery, and is released 4 days afterwards. He declares bankruptcy because he cant afford the bill. So guess who picks it up? The insured and taxpayers. Hence again, why we already have a large part of our healthcare socialized thanks to Reagan singing EMTALA in 1986. So once again.....the cost of medicine doesn't operate in a vacuum like you think and the cots of it is shifted amongst everybody else. But please continue to believ what you already do
Actually this is the first time the middle class will begin paying for it. Up until now it's been the rich and corporations paying for it.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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Actually this is the first time the middle class will begin paying for it. Up until now it's been the rich and corporations paying for it.
Not true. It is built into hospital rates and paid by all users. Some Hospitals that have large indigent populations that are paid for by the government.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 07:34 PM
 
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In a civilized culture/society you should Cruelty is so overrated
Yes we should have government health care just like we have government housing. Very basic and nobody aspiring to be covered by it.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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Yes we should have government health care just like we have government housing. Very basic and nobody aspiring to be covered by it.
Medical care is not like housing.

You get well or you die. Kind of simple. But the cost for that simple premise ranges over many orders of magnitude. Maybe 6?

Housing ranges over less than 1.
 
Old 12-08-2013, 09:18 PM
 
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Yes we should have government health care just like we have government housing. Very basic and nobody aspiring to be covered by it.
Hey, you want the gov. out of healthcare...Out of the VA, Medicare, Tricare, Medicaid, Federal
workers, by all means go for it. But also let's make it really clear, big business a.k.a. private insurance companies are involved in "government healthcare". We don't have "true private enterprise" working within the health care delivery system. Hell, even banks had their hand out to the federal government for payout on Health Education Assistance Student Loans.

Let us all just accept the fact that without a proper health care system for it's people, a nation
surely will die from a slow nonproductive life. Get rid of the for profit aspect and have a
single payer. It's simply sound economics.
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