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Old 11-14-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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The side against the motion won in my opinion.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Dershowitz is spewing propaganda directed at the ignorant--either that or he does not understand the militia clause.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:42 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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Sure-

And that would be "the end of the United States" begins at 7pm.

People recognize now, more than ever, with the incompetent, oppressive nature of the Obama administration, that an armed nation is very important.
<C> Armed Citizenry
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Dershowitz at the end argued that very end that because the pro-2A side wanted to change the language that they admitted to the proposition. But they just said that they would want to modernize the language. It's like saying that if a minister wanted to change from the KJV to the NIV, he is admitting he doesn't believe in the Bible. Just a dumb argument.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Dershowitz also appeared not to understand the somewhat archaic language of the 2nd Amendment. It says

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The initial clause seems to throw a lot of people, perhaps because we don't have experience in being in a militia, or perhaps because some people just want to be thrown off.

The best way to think of it is an analogous sentence:

"A well-educated citizenry being necessary to the functioning of a democratic state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed."

Here it is perhaps a little easier to see that the initial clause does not restrict books to the well-educated. Seems pretty clear and easy to understand to me, but I suspect that many people just don't want to understand it, therefore they don't.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:49 PM
 
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Dershowitz also appeared not to understand the somewhat archaic language of the 2nd Amendment. It says

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The initial clause seems to throw a lot of people, perhaps because we don't have experience in being in a militia, or perhaps because some people just want to be thrown off.

The best way to think of it is an analogous sentence:

"A well-educated citizenry being necessary to the functioning of a democratic state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed."

Here it is perhaps a little easier to see that the initial clause does not restrict books to the well-educated. Seems pretty clear and easy to understand to me, but I suspect that many people just don't want to understand it, therefore they don't.
Hah don't be fooled ol' Douchowits understands the language completely. He just doesn't like it, Period.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Yeah...I've discovered that it's much more reasonable to listen to anonymous guys on the internet. They are much more likely to be be well-schooled in such matters and demand respect and attention.
You could always compare what the Constitution says, with what the so-called "Constitutional law experts" claim it says, and see if they match.

But that would take reading ability, an understanding of the English language, and a knowledge of common definitions.

I guess I can see why you'd rather listen to anonymous guys on the internet: That's much easier.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:11 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Q: Why does the Constitution have a Second Amendment?

A: In case the government doesn't obey the first one.

It really doesn't get much simpler than that.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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With or without the 2nd Amendment we still have the right to defend our families, our homes and our own lives using any means possible including deadly force.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't grant me anything, it legally protects my rights but I'm fine protecting that right on my own if someone stupid enough tries to take it away from me.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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Um no I don't agree.
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