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Old 11-16-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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The unions want to get those low-rung types of jobs unionized, that is why. Most American workers should be in unions according to their thinking.

(I am not pro or con union btw) This is my viewpoint. anyway.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The unions want to get those low-rung types of jobs unionized, that is why. Most American workers should be in unions according to their thinking.

(I am not pro or con union btw) This is my viewpoint. anyway.
The union really wants those min wage FF workers but the 75% turnover rate is preventing that from happening.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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Home building and tradesman are very different.
Homebuilding in many places, Florida for instance, exists on illegal labor. It is the industry status quo.
The jobs the illegals do are not skilled.
A skilled trade would be a welder, pressman, electrician, etc. Those jobs are in no way threatened regardless of what the rightwing wackapalooza says.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Home building and tradesman are very different.
Homebuilding in many places, Florida for instance, exists on illegal labor. It is the industry status quo.
The jobs the illegals do are not skilled.
A skilled trade would be a welder, pressman, electrician, etc. Those jobs are in no way threatened regardless of what the rightwing wackapalooza says.
They have a visa for every type of job now.

H2-B my friend for that foreign electrician looking to work in America.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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I see...

So many have swallowed the corporate lie.

Amnesty would mean that workers who are currently illegal and paid LESS than minimum wage would then be covered by labor law, requiring employers to pay them at least the minimum.

Explain how that would drive wages down and maybe you'll have a valid point.
Not that you'll be grasp this, but here goes......

MOST businesses follow the law.

Once it becomes legal to hire formerly illegal aliens as citizens, there will be many more legal people for legally operated businesses to hire. These people will work for less.

Enjoy!
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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Most tradesmen I work with are very smart and don't give a shyte about politics. Hell, almost half the people of this nation don't care enough to even register to vote, let alone vote.
However, the trademen's unions use THEIR dues to deliver votes to dummycrats.

Unless the tradesman is smart enough to work for himself......most tradesmen that I know are too undisciplined to work for themselves.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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Guys you are completely of about tradesmen. We do not want government interfere with us. And we are smarter then you office rats. We look at you like low level life. I do not know about unions, but most of us aren't in union any way. Immigration legal or illegal cannot do nothing to me.
I'm finding it hard not to chuckle.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:52 PM
 
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Home building and tradesman are very different.
Homebuilding in many places, Florida for instance, exists on illegal labor. It is the industry status quo.
The jobs the illegals do are not skilled.
A skilled trade would be a welder, pressman, electrician, etc. Those jobs are in no way threatened regardless of what the rightwing wackapalooza says.
There are no pressmen, welders or electricians in Mexico?

I would think that American tradesmen would be running across their border for work if that were the case.

The skills that are TRULY untouchable are sales.....you need to be capable of clear, concise communication.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: N. Ga
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However, the trademen's unions use THEIR dues to deliver votes to dummycrats.

Unless the tradesman is smart enough to work for himself......most tradesmen that I know are too undisciplined to work for themselves.
Sorry guys... only somewhat true. There are many tradesmen who are union, are smart enough to vote the way they want, and the reason they don't work for themselves.. It's a little hard to work by and for yourself when it's a multi-billion dollar construction project. We work with union and non-union guys both in our line of work. You lumping everyone together like that is as wrong as lumping all women, ethnic cultures, or political party members together.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:04 PM
 
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Sorry guys... only somewhat true. There are many tradesmen who are union, are smart enough to vote the way they want, and the reason they don't work for themselves.. It's a little hard to work by and for yourself when it's a multi-billion dollar construction project. We work with union and non-union guys both in our line of work. You lumping everyone together like that is as wrong as lumping all women, ethnic cultures, or political party members together.
I didn't say that every tradesman votes for dummycrats.....their union thug bosses use their dues money to support them though.

That cannot be disputed.
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