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Old 11-17-2013, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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Also, McDonalds was recently in fire for telling their employees how to sign up for food stamps. Yes, food stamps, as in those things that are payed with by tax dollars. So in reality, whenever someone gets a job at McTargetWal.inc, the taxpayers get the hit
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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There are 'mgrs' below them. My brother in law fell on hard times after the company he worked for went out of business. He was making $90k there as a programmer of some sort. Well, he couldn't find work, ran out of unemployment and got desperate enough to take work at walmart. After a yr there, they promoted him to mgr over sporting goods. He was responsible for front line customer service himself as well as the customer service people below him, as well as stocking that dept. Supposedly there is some system that is supposed to track inventory and order stock automatically, but he said it wasn't reliable, and he was held responsible for any stock issues in the dept even if their automated system was the cause. Anyway, he was paid less than $11/hr.

Ironically, he was forced to shop there while working there. He has since found a good job in IT again and swears upon all that is holy he will never, ever, set foot in another wm.
He was forced to shop there? So, aside from being an evil corporation which doesn't pay their workers a fair wage (whatever that is), now your argument is that they also have a mafioso type goon squad which escorts the employees to Wal-Marts on their days off so that they can't patronize any other store? This just gets better and better.

As for your brother-in-law, if he accepted a supervisory position for less than $11 an hour then he has nobody to blame but himself. Quite frankly, I find your argument hard to believe considering that at my prevous job I dealt regularly with department managers at quite a few Wal-Mart for several years and became fairly good friends with several of them. None of them were making less than $11 an hour.
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Old 11-17-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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Also, McDonalds was recently in fire for telling their employees how to sign up for food stamps. Yes, food stamps, as in those things that are payed with by tax dollars. So in reality, whenever someone gets a job at McTargetWal.inc, the taxpayers get the hit
Also, the last time I checked the Walgreens and CVS job apps on the internet, they specifically say in there something like :

We try to hire people who are low income, so we can help them move forward, and might be eligible for the earned income tax credit.

Don't quote me on it, but it was obviously more precise legal mumble jumble and crap.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Out of curiosity, do you know what happened to those unskilled labor positions which manufacturers paid "fairly" for? They mostly became automated, because it was (and still is) more cost effective to put machines to work than humans. But, keep pushing for that "fair" wage for unskilled labor... I'm sure it's just a matter of time before companies decide to get rid of cost-effective machines and go back to using fragile human labor for those menial jobs.
Yes, I do know what happened to those unskilled labor positions... It's the same thing that has been happening for over 100 years. Advancements in technology allowed fewer workers to do more work. Automation is not a new concept or idea. Some of the old technology is still in use today because it was so efficient and practical, even by today's standards.

The difference is, when processes were refined and improved in the 50's, workers saw their paychecks grow. Obviously, things are different today. Workers are many times more productive, yet workers are seeing their paychecks shrink. What is humorous is watching people try to suggest this is right and proper. No, we are regressing back into the age of robber barons.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The difference is, when processes were refined and improved in the 50's, workers saw their paychecks grow. Obviously, things are different today. Workers are many times more productive, yet workers are seeing their paychecks shrink. .
When the productivity gain is totally related to automation, if any pay is increased it should be the robot's. After all, the worker had nothing to do with it, assuming a higher level worker did not have to be hired, replacing the one who was there before automation was added.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I can understand Walmart, Target and a couple others. Their business model is cost cutting and offering products to large numbers of customers at very competative prices. Part of offering the customer more for less comes from cutting costs everywhere, including labor. They do their part by helping their customer's get more for their money.

But Starbucks? Horribly overpriced coffee, sold to people with far more money than brains, and they can't compensate their employees fairly?
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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10. Unskilled labor
9. Unskilled labor
8. Unskilled labor
7. Unskilled labor
6. Unskilled labor
5. Unskilled labor
4. Unskilled labor
3. Unskilled labor
2. Unskilled labor
1. Unskilled labor

Find a list with neurosurgeons and rocket scientists on it, then you may have a point. As is, you're just spouting liberal drivel. Companies pay their employees to perform tasks. Companies are not charities. You want to make a decent wage, then get a decent skill that's marketable.
Of course we would have a perfect society if everyone was a rocket scientist or a neurosurgeon.

You're one of these that thinks only people with college are worthwhile right?
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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10. Starbucks
9. TJX Companies
8. Macy's
7. Darden Restaurants
6. Sears Holdings
5. Yum! Brands
4. Kroger
3. Target
2. McDonald's
So, what's the issue?
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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But Starbucks? Horribly overpriced coffee, sold to people with far more money than brains, and they can't compensate their employees fairly?
Why do you think they don't compensate their employees fairly?
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The difference is, when processes were refined and improved in the 50's, workers saw their paychecks grow. Obviously, things are different today. Workers are many times more productive, yet workers are seeing their paychecks shrink. What is humorous is watching people try to suggest this is right and proper. No, we are regressing back into the age of robber barons.
Productivity increases in the past two decades have been almost 100% due to business owners investing in technology. When Home Depot installed self checkout lanes they invested their own money in technology. The workers didn't invest and the workers didn't improve their productivity.
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