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Old 11-28-2013, 01:23 AM
 
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I'm a liberal and think thats a pretty dumb idea,, wheres the motivation to even get out of bed in the morning let alone go out and work, I'm all for Social programs to help those who fall on hard times or for whatever reason cant work but to guarantee the whole country a basic income is an absurd idea.

Depends on where the income level is set. If you set it at half the income of a full time minimum wage job, that's about $7,500 per person which would be hard for most people to live on assuming they are paying market rent. (Presumably this would replace welfare and other handouts so there's no more food stamps.) So most people would need to work at least part time, which might work in an economy that doesn't have enough full time paid work for everybody.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:28 AM
 
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Sales of beer, twinkies, and scratch-off lottery tickets would go through the roof.

Which would be great for state tax collectors.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:34 AM
 
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Giving everyone a basic income won't eliminate poverty, it will merely move the bar. Despite our War on Poverty and the billions, now trillions, of dollars we have thrown at it, it's percent of the population hasn't changed. It has achieved two things, it has encouraged an increased number of out-of-wedlock births and created a sense of entitlement. We have also managed to change the demographics of the impoverished, there are far fewer elderly in the mix and more children.

By the way, the variable that is the single biggest indicator of whether a child will grow up in poverty is whether or not his parents are married. If we want to eliminate poverty, particularly in children, maybe we ought to start working on decreasing out-of-wedlock births instead of continuing to do things that encourages it.

If the basic income is limited to adults, the incentive to pop out more kids is gone.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:41 AM
 
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Where's this money going to come from?
Sounds like something close to perpetual motion. Tax the crap out of everybody once and it will feed itself from now on. Wouldn't our "shares" get smaller and smaller as the population grew?
Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was it destroyed in a day. A plan like this would effectively start the process.

From welfare and all the other means-tested programs we have now.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:44 AM
 
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And the money comes from.................where?

Eliminating welfare and other means-tested programs, plus all the employees paid to administer those programs.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:47 AM
 
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You cannot end poverty bc it is relative.

You can, however, waste a lot of time and money trying to make equal things that unsustainable.

??? The government definition of poverty is not relative.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:49 AM
 
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I was 25 when I started going to college, had I tried when I was younger I wouldn't have received any grants due to my parents' income even though they couldn't afford to send my sister and I to college.

That said, don't you dare act like I don't pay taxes and that I somehow got grant money that didn't in turn cost me as well. I am quite fine knowing my tax dollars go to helping people in need of grant money to go to college and think more should be given and the bar should be set higher so that even people like your children can also afford to go to college without putting a financial strain on their parents.

You want to talk selfishness, your entire post is all about selfishness. Why should you help others go to college when no one is helping you. That is called "what's in it for me" selfishness.




What do you call it when that money is taken from someone?

Not given freely but taken.

Vast world of difference between giving voluntarily what you can or desire and having it just taken away from you without choice.

Your socialist colors are showing.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yea..right.
And almost all the articles that promote this say they'll just tax the corporations to pay for this.
Because..it's the corporation's fault there aren't any jobs due to their use of technology.

The group the progressives hate the most yet seem dependent on them to fund their vision of Utopia.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Houston
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“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.”


Herbert Spencer

Technology is going to eliminate all our jobs... people have been saying this since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Last edited by whogo; 11-28-2013 at 06:38 AM..
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:52 AM
 
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So how do we know this "basic Income" will be spent wisely?

How would that be monitored??
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