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Old 11-18-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Where is all of this extra wealth going to come from? Do we just print it out of thin air?
Maybe you should look closer.

700 billion of it comes from cutting existing programs, and their associated overhead.

The rest would come from higher taxes. And heres some news for you-for a LOT of people those higher taxes would be offset by the check they receive.

Really in a lot of ways this is our current system, EXCEPT that theres less overhead involved.
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The government wouldn't be giving anyone anything. It would be the taxpayer as usual.

If someone wants money, make them work for it. What a weird concept nowadays... Work to support yourself. Oh?!
Dang! What is wrong with people? They are so messed up in the head!!!
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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The Money Fairy, of course!

Clad in the most simmering samite flowing robes, the Money Fairy will mount her Unicorn and descend from the Great Ivory Tower on the Isle of Utopia in the Sea of Kumbaya and dispense free money.

We can make that happen right now. All we have to do is hold hands and sing We are the World.

Donning hearing protection...

Mircea
You just described the liberal's Utopian vision of Obama in 2009. don't worry though, because liberals are brainless lemmings, they will drop one Utopian dream, and pick up the next future failure, and march ever closer to the cliff's edge. Even pointing out the cliff won't halt them, because they are convinced the bottom will be a soft pillowed landing.
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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Maybe you should look closer.

700 billion of it comes from cutting existing programs, and their associated overhead.

The rest would come from higher taxes. And heres some news for you-for a LOT of people those higher taxes would be offset by the check they receive.

Really in a lot of ways this is our current system, EXCEPT that theres less overhead involved.
$700 billion a year will not be enough. We have averaged the federal government spending far more then that each year, and look at our sad economy.

You think the poor, or average American can possibly spend their money more wisely then the master minds in the federal government can? Wow, that's certainly turning modern liberalism on it's head.
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Wow we really are obsessed with money, i mean we are number one in Average Wage, number on in Purchasing power and the largest consumer market and we still want more money?
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Most people suggesting these ideas are very specific that they should ONLY apply to natural born citizens.

Some might argue for legal immigrants as well.
Those same people are arguing for illegals to get in-state tuition, free education, home loans, welfare, SANP, Obamacare, etc... and you think this is where they would draw the line?
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: N. Ga
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Why should you help others go to college when no one is helping you. That is called "what's in it for me" selfishness.

Exactly! Why should I? I have no problem helping, but I am not financially responsible for you. I have enough trouble making enough money for myself and my family. Yet, you want to give more of my hard earned dollars. How much will make you happy? When you take 100% of my income to give to someone else? Any time you want something "free" it comes out of someone else's pocket. What about that can't some of you realize? NOTHING in this world is free. Not food, not shelter, and sure not education.

I'm sorry your parents could afford to send you to school. Mine couldn't either. But instead of setting around griping about it, I got to work. And I sure didn't expect anyone to give me anything for free....
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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What is the difference between basic income and minimum wage?
minimum wage is higher.....only draw back is you have to work for it....oh my...there is that 4 letter word liberals hate....work
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:42 PM
 
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Those same people are arguing for illegals to get in-state tuition, free education, home loans, welfare, SANP, Obamacare, etc... and you think this is where they would draw the line?
VERY few are arguing for that. They can keep arguing for it til they turn blue. Shrug. Im sorry if some possibility in the future scares you. But "these same people"...are lumping together lots of different people. Its a falsehood.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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What is the difference between basic income and minimum wage?
For minimum wage, you need a job. For basic income, you don't. Basic Income is money the government sends to everyone. You don't do anything to earn it. It's an idea that has been floated around a few times over the years as an alternative to the various welfare programs. Institute one basic income program that goes out to everyone, and then eliminate all the individual assistance programs.

The theory is that it would be enough to supplement the poor so they would have a better lifestyle, while at the same time not being so much that an able bodied person would be incentivized not to work.

It's an idea that has been put forth by both liberals and conservatives.
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