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Old 11-19-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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What do you people think happens to you after you die? And most of you will die someday. That is just a fact. Not even all of Steve Jobs money could save him from the ultimate end we all face. We know what happens to your BODY. It rots and worms eat it. But what about to YOU? You have to end up somewhere.

 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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Jesus was born a Jew but he switched and started Christianity because he saw what a mess the Jews had made of things. He was tired of them using the Old Testament to persecute people and tired of their money grubbing and usery which is why he threw them out of his Temple. Jesus proclamied, that as the son of God, it was Him who would save the world from that and he showed the way through grace. That is why I say the Old Testament has little to do with Christianity. God is no longer a god of law and vengeance but a God of grace and mercy.
So then, you're now saying that your God is frighteningly capricious!

Would you want the power of omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence to be in the hands of someone so CAPRICIOUS?

So now you admit that he was once a God of vengeance? So what's to stop him from becoming vengeful again in the morning given the state of affairs in the world that HE made?

And if Jesus came to the Earth to save the world, why come to such a dump as the Middle East where people were generally uneducated and backwards? What about the rest of the world? Why didn't he go to Africa, Europe, South America or Australia? Are those people worth gaining salvation too?

And if he's a god of grace and mercy, why didn't he save his own people during the Holocaust?
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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What do you people think happens to you after you die? And most of you will die someday. That is just a fact. Not even all of Steve Jobs money could save him from the ultimate end we all face. We know what happens to your BODY. It rots and worms eat it. But what about to YOU? You have to end up somewhere.
You end up dead...that's where you end up. The same place where you were before you were born....nothingness.

If you're making a case for a soul, forget it. There's no proof that a such thing exists. If you guys claim that animals have no soul, then you can't make a case that humans CAN'T live without a soul. It's contradictory.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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That is the message I try to follow. But we as humans love to complicate s***!

Whe had to insert the ritual and dogma back into it. We're not comfortable with simple.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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Really--maybe you have not met enough atheists to make an informed opinion. How many wars have been about atheists fighting people who believe in any religion? On the other hand, how many wars have been about one religion fighting against an enemy with different religious beliefs? Atheists are not fanatic about their beliefs and atheists believe in what the founding fathers believed--separating church and state. And as long as you brought up hostility--how many people making extremely hostile statements on these forums call themselves Christians?
He obviously sees nothing fantastic about his own Bible being full of religious wars of conquest. Talk about hostility. LOL
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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Damn right it was human error at the warehouse! It was clearly mislabelled.
It should have been in the "Horror" section.
I would have put it in the Sci-Fi section..

Whacky vengeful alien constructs world, populates it with sentient beings then subjects them to unbelievable levels of pain, suffering and death throughout their pathetically short existence.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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And most of you will die someday.
Most? The one thing we have in common with all life on earth is that our life will end eventually.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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What do you people think happens to you after you die? And most of you will die someday. That is just a fact. Not even all of Steve Jobs money could save him from the ultimate end we all face. We know what happens to your BODY. It rots and worms eat it. But what about to YOU? You have to end up somewhere.
You answered your own question. We rot and feed worms. All of us. Although maybe not quite so directly thanks to modern funeral home practices.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You answered your own question. We rot and feed worms. All of us. Although maybe not quite so directly thanks to modern funeral home practices.
Yeah. I feel kind of bad that to avoid the ridiculousness of the laws about burials added to the pomp of the funeral home industry, cremation got to be the best alternative...depriving lots of organisms a good many meals.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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What do you people think happens to you after
you die?
And most of you will die someday. That is just a fact. Not even all of
Steve Jobs money could save him from the ultimate end we all face. We know what
happens to your BODY. It rots and worms eat it. But what about to YOU? You have
to end up somewhere.
The exact same thing that happens to my cat or the Thanksgiving turkey you'll have on your table.
We are nothing but animals with a bigger brain, capable of inventing gods and souls.
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