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Old 11-20-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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Right, because telling people they should have self-control has always worked so well.
It use to before the "sexual revolution" when the pill came along and people thought it was a panacea but really it has caused more problems than it ever solved. People lost inhibitions and falsely depended on a stupid pill with millions of abortions following.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:21 PM
 
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I have no problem with abortion. Birth control is certainly better, but as we all know $hit happens.
Then it's between a woman and her doctor. Not my business and not yours, either.
Then stop saying the general public needs to pay for abortions and BC. If they don't want it to be others business, than they should pay for their own bedroom supplies. Don't expect others to clean up the mess they created.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:29 PM
 
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women might not want a baby at the present time doesn't mean they won't want one later. no reason to get her tubes tied in that case. many young women who don't want children try to get their tubes tied and because of their young age doctors won't do it.

this isn't about "self control" women can and do enjoy sex, how they keep from being pregnant or the choice they make when they do get pregnant is none of your business.
People don't want it their business so don't tell people to pay for it.

If women want to have sex whenever and wherever, than expect they will get pregnant or they can get sterilized and enjoy it all they want. At some point the person has to take responsibility for their own actions.

I don't buy it that women can't find any doctor not willing to do sterilizations on young women. We all know if you pay certain doctors enough you can get those doctors to do about anything. Look at Gosnell.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:58 PM
 
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A quick summary: 1) The far-right hates the fact that we are a nation of laws. 2) The far-right doesn't like it when women, liberals, and/or celebrities use the First Amendment.

Oh, and 3) They REALLY hate the fact that they don't get to tell everyone what they should do (those pesky laws - such a nuisance when you want to deny women control over their bodies) so they make a lot of noise and say rude things about women, liberals and/or celebrities who say things they don't like.

The far-right hates the fact that we are a nation of laws...

White House Violates Law with Obamacare Delay | Conservative ByteConservative Byte


The far-right doesn't like it when women, liberals, and/or celebrities use the First Amendment...

IRS Workforce Turnover Part of Tea-Party Scrutiny Fallout: Taxes - Bloomberg


They REALLY hate the fact that they don't get to tell everyone what they should do...

Put down that doughnut: FDA takes on trans fats - CNN.com
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:04 AM
 
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Sidney Poitier splits time between homes in New York & L.A.
He's been The Bahamas' ambassador to Japan since '97.
How'd this get up to 7 pages?!?!?!?!
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:13 AM
 
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It use to before the "sexual revolution" when the pill came along and people thought it was a panacea but really it has caused more problems than it ever solved. People lost inhibitions and falsely depended on a stupid pill with millions of abortions following.

the pill has prevented more unwanted pregnancy than any other method of BC. abortions are due not to the pill but because some women take them wrong or don't take them at all. the pill is very effective and a great thing. it kept women from having children they could ill afford.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:17 AM
 
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People don't want it their business so don't tell people to pay for it.

If women want to have sex whenever and wherever, than expect they will get pregnant or they can get sterilized and enjoy it all they want. At some point the person has to take responsibility for their own actions.

I don't buy it that women can't find any doctor not willing to do sterilizations on young women. We all know if you pay certain doctors enough you can get those doctors to do about anything. Look at Gosnell.
you don't pay for abortions now. even if you did you don't get a choice where your tax dollar is spent.

women can have sex all they want and they don't have to be sterilized to do it. women can be sexual and have children when they want. no need to get sterilized to have sex if you want children in the future. sex is not a punishment that excludes children when you are ready to have them

how many young women have you talked to that have been turned down to be sterilized. you are out of the loop if you think most doctors will sterilize a woman under the age of 35.

Gosnell was a criminal. the majority of doctors are not.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:21 AM
 
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the pill has prevented more unwanted pregnancy than any other method of BC. abortions are due not to the pill but because some women take them wrong or don't take them at all. the pill is very effective and a great thing. it kept women from having children they could ill afford.
Really? Before the pill people would think twice or a lot more times before having sex, now they hardly think at all. The pill and the condom is not 100%, never was but it is sold that way.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:22 AM
 
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Really? Before the pill people would think twice or a lot more times before having sex, now they hardly think at all. The pill and the condom is not 100%, never was but it is sold that way.
If used correctly, they're nearly fool-proof.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:26 AM
 
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The far-right hates the fact that we are a nation of laws...

White House Violates Law with Obamacare Delay | Conservative ByteConservative Byte


The far-right doesn't like it when women, liberals, and/or celebrities use the First Amendment...

IRS Workforce Turnover Part of Tea-Party Scrutiny Fallout: Taxes - Bloomberg


They REALLY hate the fact that they don't get to tell everyone what they should do...

Put down that doughnut: FDA takes on trans fats - CNN.com
Are they kidding? They really don't know the Dems are in charge right now with a Dem president in office. All this "want to control you" is happening from the Dem administration.
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