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Old 11-21-2013, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
That report had more estimates and projections than facts yet you ate it up.
So, you are saying that the claim in question: "Health care spending since the 2010 passage of the Affordable Care Act has risen by 1.3% a year" which is a figure about the spending between 2010 and 2013 is an erroneous FUTURE prediction. How do you come up with that argument?

 
Old 11-21-2013, 09:03 AM
 
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Outside of the Oval Office healthcare spending is rising.
But let's not let any group other than the President's "council" statement be the truth.

Health-Care Spending to Reach 20% of U.S. Economy by 2021 - Bloomberg[/url].
Now, THAT is a future prediction. It may, or may not be true. Time till tell. However the claim in the OP is NOT a future prediction, because it talks about the past.

PS Your article is fairly old.
 
Old 11-21-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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That would leave 60-70% caused by reasons other than recession.
The White House is grasping at straws these days. Notice the WaPost link I showed. The ACA portion of that 60-70% is unknown. For a liberal newspaper not to comment on it tells you something cause they generally are very biased for the ACA.

What they really wanted to show is to brag about more people getting healthcare. Oops...it's hard to brag to American federal taxpayers for every 10 Americans getting access to healthcare, 9 of them are getting the free stuff (medicaid expansion). Some states it's a 20:1 ratio. It's crazy the ratio of medicaid expansion vs exchange sign ups. Even the White House acknowledge for the ACA to work it needs about a 50:50 split of people signing up for the exchanges vs medicaid expansion.

And the key is Healthy "cough cough" young people. Young being a relative term since most under age 50 are encountering "rate shock". Its estimated the they need at least 2 million "young" and healthy people out of 7 million to sign up for exchanges. And since around 50% of those on exchanges are expected to pay "full price" and not qualify for subsides. That means the White House needs 3.5 million Americans taxpayers to overpay for their policies.
 
Old 11-21-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A Federal Audit said the recession was the cause.
That seems very logical.

People will prioritize their spending and health insurance premiums is not at the top of the list when you have food to buy and rent to pay.

You guys can go with the WH report. I think I'll go with the Federal Audit report.
 
Old 11-21-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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A Federal Audit said the recession was the cause.
That seems very logical.
Be honest. It says recession accounted 30-40% of the slowdown.
 
Old 11-21-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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It's not good news if it turns out that the recession had a huge part in it.
People cut back and got fired from their jobs.

The report even admitted that much.
Apparently, Finn isn't looking at the trends they include. LOL. This is a seriously baseless spin job.
 
Old 11-21-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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Apparently, Finn isn't looking at the trends they include. LOL. This is a seriously baseless spin job.
No, we looked, and recession did play a role of about 30-40% of the slowdown.
 
Old 11-21-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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No, we looked, and recession did play a role of about 30-40% of the slowdown.
And the usatoday article also says Health Care spending is expected to increase because of the aca amongst other things next year.

So what's it going to be? Increase or decrease spending with aca?
 
Old 11-21-2013, 10:33 AM
 
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No, we looked, and recession did play a role of about 30-40% of the slowdown.
Are you a member of Obama's council now ?
 
Old 11-21-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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And the usatoday article also says Health Care spending is expected to increase because of the aca amongst other things next year.

So what's it going to be? Increase or decrease spending with aca?
The topic is the slowdown since 2010. I don't have a crystal ball to see into the future.
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