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Old 11-23-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Yes indeed PennDot got a raise. A 3% raise in 17 years. Like most Pennsylvanians I`m ok with it. We have a lot of roads and bridges to fix.
yes, but will they? As I said, they did this a long time ago, to do the same thing, and it was never carried out.
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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yes, but will they? As I said, they did this a long time ago, to do the same thing, and it was never carried out.
I think they will. Companies that haul nearly every product we use are having to detour sometimes dozens of miles to deliver their products. My son drives a truck for a road paving company and he experiences these detours at least once a week costing his company time and money. Bear in mind that people aren`t buying as much gas as they once did so the amount of revenue from taxes at the pump just isn`t keeping pace with our needs.
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:38 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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How do we convince, party follows that this is so true...have you noticed how they fear being disloyal to a corrupt party?

When did American's become so gullible?
Did you see the teacher teaching children the song worshiping Obama? Did you see the teacher telling her student he could not criticize the president? THEY ARE TAUGHT TO FOLLOW ALONG OR ELSE IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I was too but I saw the light after getting away from the brainwashing a few years.

School vouchers or private schools or home schools with children learning to think for themselves would be so good for our country. And the children might even learn something worth knowing for a change.
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Fed Up With Government Corruption
Your not the only one!!
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:16 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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The legislature approved the increase. The money is supposed to be used on transportation infrastructure. If that's what happens ... then I see nothing wrong with asking people who use the transportation system, principally vehicles, to contribute to fund the improvement. It's s steep increase, though and a bit surprising to me that the GOP would so strongly advocate it. The nation's infrastructure is falling apart. Fixing it is a necessity. I suppose they could increase the state's income tax ... and then the Tea Party idiots would show-up waiving their guns and confederate flags in protest. It's a no win situation for anyone.
The problem is that they don't need more money, they can do a ton of amazing things to help this country with the money they have and still have a surplus. We are letting them get away with pissing our tax dollars away by the trillions on a bunch of useless crap. There was a time when this country could survive without a federal income tax, and we still should be able to, but we let these frauds sell us out to the highest corporate bidders.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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often its a case of want versus will to pay for it.The only way to limit government is to take less service.Corruption isn't just a governamnt problem. Afterall 300 billion in taxes loss from tax fraud in unreported income each year is IRS estimate.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: NH
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The common current day dem/lib mentality in America is a shiftless confused person that I feel sorrow for but know feeling sorry for someone solves nothing. Liberal thinkers don't understand that people need to help themselves by hard work, responsibility and sacrifice, not govt. funny money. Welfare whiny people are abusing the system instead of helping themselves and it's getting worse. Socialism in America will only create lots more of these types of people. Any "man" that is capable of work and taking care of himself and family but instead chooses to try to take the lazy route and be a game playing welfare bum I have little respect for.
Raising taxes is inevitable as less people will actually pay their taxes knowing that it might go to a bum instead of someone who needs it.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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The common current day dem/lib mentality in America is a shiftless confused person that I feel sorrow for but know feeling sorry for someone solves nothing. Liberal thinkers don't understand that people need to help themselves by hard work, responsibility and sacrifice, not govt. funny money. Welfare whiny people are abusing the system instead of helping themselves and it's getting worse. Socialism in America will only create lots more of these types of people. Any "man" that is capable of work and taking care of himself and family but instead chooses to try to take the lazy route and be a game playing welfare bum I have little respect for.
Raising taxes is inevitable as less people will actually pay their taxes knowing that it might go to a bum instead of someone who needs it.
outstanding post and so true, people of this country should be ashamed....really.
When you come into this forum and see the mentality of those who bash each party and play the blame game, how incredibly pathetic.

How unintelligent and uninformed can you be?

thank you everyone for your well informed posts, really enjoyed reading you....it's nice to know there are some intelligent people left in this country.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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its not the gas tax hike per say, but the corruption leading up to the legislature deciding they need to raise the tax. the gas tax was supposed to be put in a fund specifically to be used on road building and maintenance. instead the legislature decided it should go into the general fund, to be spend as they saw fit rather than what is was supposed to be spent on.

and that is the problem with growing government. money that is earmarked for a particular project, gets sidetracked because the government decides they have to keep their power, so they create a dependent class of people so they can spend more and more money to keep getting elected by pandering to the dependent class and thus showing the people how much they "care" about the people and helping the poor and down trodden.
Here in Illinois we were told that by 1973, the bonds for all the toll roads would be paid off and they would convert to freeways. "Toll free in '73" was the rallying cry that was used to sell the project. Never happened, because the Tollway Authority proved to be a great vehicle for politicians to use to wield clout by doling out jobs and contracts to their political allies.

My ex-father-in-law was a buddy of one state politician (he happened to be a Republican, but it happens on both sides of the political spectrum) who got my brother-in-law a much coveted and very difficult to get job on the Tollway. (My FIL was in state law enforcement and could help him politically.) It's not the poor, dependent classes that get the benefit of those jobs and contracts, it's the politically and financially well-connected.

So while I don't disagree with the basics of your post, don't put all of the blame for political corruption on "pandering to the dependent class" while giving a pass to the entitled class who truly holds all of the real power by holding all of the wealth and the clout and the ability to buy politicians that goes with it. What makes it down to the middle and lower classes is crumbs in comparison.
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Here in Illinois we were told that by 1973, the bonds for all the toll roads would be paid off and they would convert to freeways. "Toll free in '73" was the rallying cry that was used to sell the project. Never happened, because the Tollway Authority proved to be a great vehicle for politicians to use to wield clout by doling out jobs and contracts to their political allies.

My ex-father-in-law was a buddy of one state politician (he happened to be a Republican, but it happens on both sides of the political spectrum) who got my brother-in-law a much coveted and very difficult to get job on the Tollway. (My FIL was in state law enforcement and could help him politically.) It's not the poor, dependent classes that get the benefit of those jobs and contracts, it's the politically and financially well-connected.

So while I don't disagree with the basics of your post, don't put all of the blame for political corruption on "pandering to the dependent class" while giving a pass to the entitled class who truly holds all of the real power by holding all of the wealth and the clout and the ability to buy politicians that goes with it. What makes it down to the middle and lower classes is crumbs in comparison.
Thank you, it is time people start waking up, what is it with Americans?
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