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Old 11-23-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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The plants being attacked have regulations in place.
Reality is that the overhead required to get the coal out of the ground and to the powe plants is too high to match the lower overhead required to extricate natural gas from the ground.

Natural gas is kicking king coal to the curb. Not Obama.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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You would of course be happy to be immediately downwind of a coal-burning plant having no regulation of its emissions, right?
Let's take an example, the new mercury regulations will reduce mercury deposition rates here in the US an estimated 1 to 10% and increase the average IQ an estimated 2/1000 of one point.

Does that make sense, yes or no?
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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Reality is that the overhead required to get the coal out of the ground and to the powe plants is too high to match the lower overhead required to extricate natural gas from the ground.
No it isn't, the cost per watt for natural gas is hovering around what it is for coal. There is only two things keeping it in that range, regulations and the recent glut on the market. The glut is no more and electric prices will rise over the coming months.

It was around November in 2011 it really started to become competitive.



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Old 11-23-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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The last full year of Bush in office 2008 electricity averaged 11.26 per kwh and so far this year it averages 12.15 cents per kwh.
The only thing that has kept it in check is the reduction of reliance on coal coincided with the expansion of the NG industry. That's not going to last.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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Are people forgetting the corporate model running the planet? Forgetting what our economy is based on? Money is being made here. This is news?
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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Solar panels cost less than half what they did when I got started, and a lot of folks still making excuses.
Whine all you want , the price of power is inevitable to rise. especially as the dollar plummets .
If everyone had to pay full price for the panels and the associated costs that industry would evaporate overnight. That's besides the point that if they are ever to become competitive they will need to be connected to the grid with base power from fossil fuel generation .
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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Actually US is on it path to becoming world #1 producer of fossil fuels...... The problem is that it is not guaranteed to bring down the cost at the pump. Why should it?
Should be interesting.
Data Show China Passing US as Biggest Oil Importer
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BEIJING—China passed the United States in September as the world’s biggest net oil importer, driven by faster economic growth and strong auto sales, according to U.S. government data released this week.
Chinese oil consumption outstripped production by 6.3 million barrels per day, which indicates the country had to import that much to fill the gap, the Energy Information Administration said this week.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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The war on coal will affect your electric rates..like it or not.
You haven't seen nothing yet, the war on natural gas is just ramping up.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Let's take an example, the new mercury regulations will reduce mercury deposition rates here in the US an estimated 1 to 10% and increase the average IQ an estimated 2/1000 of one point.

Does that make sense, yes or no?
Too bad it doesn't address all those dental mercury amalgams already in people's heads.
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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No it isn't, the cost per watt for natural gas is hovering around what it is for coal. There is only two things keeping it in that range, regulations and the recent glut on the market. The glut is no more and electric prices will rise over the coming months.

It was around November in 2011 it really started to become competitive.


You are reaching. The problem of coal is that there will be no new plants and the cost of retro for pollution controls will force more and more out of production. Coal has had its day.

I always thought it would be nuclear that cut in to take over from coal. Becomes clear that gas has done it to nuclear as well.

Fracking is still in its early days. And a rise in gas prices will cause more an more fracking.
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