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Old 11-24-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Not realizing that the government is made up of people and operates in the real world and not some abstract perfect concept is a major problem for a lot of leftists, particularly younger ones.

Granted, the flip side (not realizing that the private sector is made up of people and operates in the real world and not some abstract perfect concept) is also a major problem for a lot of rightists, particularly younger ones.
Point being?
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Old 11-24-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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Not realizing that the government is made up of people and operates in the real world and not some abstract perfect concept is a major problem for a lot of leftists, particularly younger ones.

Granted, the flip side (not realizing that the private sector is made up of people and operates in the real world and not some abstract perfect concept) is also a major problem for a lot of rightists, particularly younger ones.
Free enterprise is grand. It gives you choices.

I started the business I just left because I was flat out insulted by their (the big player in the market) behavior toward potential customers - as if they were doing me a favor by existing and I should be grateful.

Instead, I became a competitor. Anyone with that terrible of an attitude hasn't adequate competition to teach them some humility. I just ran across another example, as well. Been thinking all weekend about how to bury them with something called "value" and "customer service" as a competitor.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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PMF - Did you expect any other response than the usual RW BS provided by the delusional TRUE BELIEVERS in our supposedly Capitalist system?

The reality is we have a politically protected selected socialist system dominated by big industry and big capital. This system is not designed to protect competitive markets but to eliminate completion and protect the profits of the current investors. A good example is the casino owner trying to make internet gambling illegal instead of investing in the new business. I expect the government to provide his business with protection by criminalizing internet gambling in response to his generous donations. Unfortunately we really do have the best government money can buy.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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Going to the doctor is a service, not "infrastructure".
You can't teach them that. To them, everything is a structured element to be planned and formed into bricks and permanently fixed. They're planners to the core, who think they have the answer (or their academics in government have them) to everyone's needs, and all would be fixed if we'd just surrender everything to their dreams. Rigidity and central planning are their very essence.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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Point being?
Nothing relevant to the current conversation directly just for the sake of balance pointing out that there is a similar phenomenon that occurs on the right. Heck, I used to be an example of it when I was in high school and early college.

I mean, the ideas espoused by the OP are a clear example of this kind of magical thinking in its typical form coming from the left, but that sort of thing does happen on the right in a different form and it's better for dialogue IMO to acknowledge that -- makes it more about attacking that sort of magical/unrealistic thinking and less about attacking one side of the political spectrum or the other.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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Didn't I already say that the doctors and nurses should be paid more and better benefits?

If you cut the billions of profits out of the industry there is plenty of money to pay the people that matter.
Who decides what they deserve?
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Railroads and pipelines to move products. Freeways and streets to move people and products. Military to protect our borders and our constitution. All important infrastructures funded by taxpayers that are absolutely essential to the well being and productivity of the country.

Also essential is a healthy populace. Just nationalize the entire healthcare industry. Make it completely non-profit but make the salaries and benefits for healthcare workers much better. Pay for their college. Give grants to universities to develop the new medical procedures and medicines. No more Phizer's that make billions off our misery.

Take the billions of dollars that are given to execs and shareholders and use that to make healthcare cheaper and more efficient.

There are plenty of other ways to make money in America. Healthcare should not be a way. Healthcare should be for professionals, not money pigs.
Health care is not "infrastructure." Health care is a personal responsibility (or should be) just as life insurance is (to protect your loved ones if you die).

This collectivist thinking has got to cease. Collectivism is pure unadulterated socialism. It is not a system that advances freedom of thought, the freedom to innovate, or even the freedom to choose. It is coercive in nature, and is statist.

I don't want a government telling me what kind of car I can drive, what I can or cannot eat, what I must buy, limiting my electric providers choice of fuel (artificially making my electricity cost more than necessary) or telling me what doctor or hospital I may go to (yes, "You can keep your doctor" was also a lie).
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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Wasn't BO recently complaining about the sorry state of America's infrastructure? Perhaps he ought to concentrate on that before adding more infastructure.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Medical people are different. They will continue to develop new procedures and methods and medicines and they will do it because they are professionals. Very few get into the field for the money. It's the money people's fault that we are in the mess we are in.

The doctors, nurses, researchers. They will all still be there.
Oh, so we should take advantage of them and screw them? Take what they procuce and not compensate them?

God, I hate liberals! They disgust me.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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These know-nothings never cease to amaze me with their ignorance. I wonder if theis jerk ever cracked a book on any topic he bloviates about?
No, they never do, its great when they show us how little they dont know.
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