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Why are you being racist? It has nothing to do with being rich or white.
Why should people don't pay taxes have a say in how to spend other people's money? That doesn't even make sense.
Because for one it isn't 1835. Also most people in our current economic condition have fallen on hard times. Many paid more taxes in their lifetimes then you.
"We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one."
- Ronald Reagan
Whenever I saw Ronald Reagan standing behind a podium, I couldn't look without coming to the conclusion that the podium would make a better president since because it can't speak it can't lie.
Why does the level of wealth inequality matter? What is inherently bad about it?
I did some research on what wealth inequality in the past looked like during Feudal times. I think the gap was something like a factor of millions i.e. the feudal oligarchs were millions of times better off than the peasants.
These days, I think it exists somewhere in the thousands. Add to the fact that, in real terms, our poor people are thousands times more better off than the peasants back in the day.
All I've heard from the left, is that wealth inequality is bad, and that it's more unequal, and that everyone thinks things should be more equal in various polls. I've never seen wealth inequality used in an if/then statement.
If wealth inequality continues to increase, then <blank will happen.
Nor have I seen what we do to address inequality. I'm not sure taxing the rich really solves the problem. I also haven't seen what happens when wealth inequality starts to narrow.
I suppose I'm not understanding the left's position here. It's sort of like how liberals say "Glass-Steagall" and throw that around without knowing what it is.
In sum, I think it's just another liberal buzzward.
Christ said that the poor would always be with us.
The one system that provides the best opportunity for one to climb out of poverty is capitlaiism.
In life some will always have more than others, because of personal drive, inginuity, intelligence, and many other factors. These things cannot be changed. But a coercive government may try to atrificially "equalize" through theft of the products of ones labor (excessive taxation). The effect of this kind of government action is to stifle entrepreneurship. This slows job growth, and keeps people at the bottom, because work is harder to find.
We see this today. This administration does nothing to stimulate the economy, and everything to stifle it. This is because Barack obama does not believe in the free market, and neither do most in his administration. In fact, Progressivism = socialism. So all those who claim they are "progressive," are anti-capitalists (anti-free market).
I'm stating my opinion. You're quoting an idiot. Who's the troll?
Ronald Reagan was no idiot. If you want to see a real idiot, look at the man currently 'occupying' the oval office (between golf games and doing late night and daytime TV talk shows).
Whenever I saw Ronald Reagan standing behind a podium, I couldn't look without coming to the conclusion that the podium would make a better president since because it can't speak it can't lie.
Oh, please! So, what must you think of Barack H. Obama (a.k.a. Barry Sotoro)?
income and wealth inequality has been growing IN EVERY COUNTRY WORLD WIDE, and especially in some of the most socialist nations
PARIS | Economic inequality is growing in the world’s richest countries, a 30-nation report said Tuesday.
The gap between rich and poor has widened over the past 20 years in nearly all the countries studied, even as trade and technological advances have spurred rapid growth in their economies.
With job losses and home foreclosures skyrocketing and many of these countries now facing recession, policymakers must act quickly to prevent a surge in populist and protectionist sentiment as was seen following the Great Depression, the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said.
“What will happen if the next decade is not one of world growth but of world recession? If a rising tide didn’t lift all boats, how will they be affected by an ebbing tide?†Oxford University economist Anthony Atkinson said at a conference at the OECD headquarters.
In a 20-year study of its member countries, the OECD found inequality had increased in 27 of its 30 members as top earners’ incomes soared while others stagnated.
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May 3, 2011, 2:42 pm Inequality Rising Across the Developed World
By CATHERINE RAMPELL
America isn’t the only rich country dealing with a rise in inequality. Most of the developed world is, too.
A new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development finds that most of its member countries have seen their richest citizens get much, much richer in the last few decades, leading to a widening income gap.
Today, across developed countries, the average income of the richest 10 percent of the population is about nine times that of the poorest 10 percent, with much bigger multiples in some counttries, such as Mexico where the income ratio is 27 to 1.
So what accounts for the growing gulf?
Changes in capital income — which primarily affects wealthier people — have contributed to rising inequality, although the impact has been relatively modest when compared to changes in labor income, the report says. As lower-paid workers have seen their incomes stagnate or even fall, the highest-paid workers have gotten steep raises.
Many factors have contributed to the rising labor income inequality. Globalization has had an impact, as rich countries have been sending more of their commodifiable, generally less-skilled jobs offshore, which has displaced many lower-paid workers in rich countries.
its part of the liberal way....with liberal fascism there can only be 2 classes...the poor serfs...and the rich liberal elitest
liberal policies like ""Minimum wage'''' kill the middleclass
liberal policies like spred the wealth...kill the middleclass..since they are alwys the ones to actually get hit by it
liberal policies like welfare...kill the middleclass
Of course the "socialist" nations are experiencing the same thing. They're run by the same private central banks. As I explained elsewhere "they" funded the Communist Revolution of 1917 and tried to start it years before and "they" were also known as "Robber Barons" in the West. They don't care left, right, center, upwards, downwards, backwards, forwards. They've functioned and made money under monarchies, N.A.Z.I.S, Fascists, Capitalists, Socialists etc...
As long as they own, yes literally own, the currency the current trends will continue.
"I care notwhat puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire,... The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply"
Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild, of the Rothschild international banking cartel
There are a lot of studies showing it results in increased social issues, crime etc.
One word. Plutocracy.
Increasingly people are seeing that ownership of capital, and not effort or merit are whats driving success.
Would you explain what you mean by "ownership of capital?" Isn't capital (associated with wealth) that which one earns by engaging in productive work? Or, what they may earn by investing (what my father used to call 'putting your money to work'?
Few people become rich with no effort on their part. Usually it is the result of careful planning, smart money management, hard work (entrepreneurship, striving to excell at ones job and 'moving up the corporate ladder,' etc.).
Wealth is created when someone produces something of value, and behind every businessman is passion. But success is never a guarantee. There are always risks. Risk takers are what drive our economy.
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This to many seems anti-american. We've believed that a hard working, or intelligent person should get ahead. As inequality increases we're seeing that being hard working, and intelligent is less and less effective in being succesful.
Wrong. Without hard work and even a modicum of intelligence no one can get ahead. But, there has to be a sincere desire (passion). No one is going to make you successful but YOU. You have to put forth the effort. No one can do it for you.
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So you looked back at thousands of years ago...and thought to yourself "hey thats where I want to live!" Really?
Seriously, google "why is inequality bad" and then go read some of the links. The important thing to note however, is that most people (me included) believe a certain level of inequality is GOOD. Its when its taken to extremes that it has bad effects, not just social, but also in a nation prospering as a group.
We are a nation of individuals. Individuals striving to be the best they can be. Rugged individualism is what built this nation. "Group think" is for the boardroom of a successful corporation. It isn't a method to build a nation. The wealth of a nation is defined by the output of it's people. Individual wealth belongs to the individual that created it.
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The big tough question is, how do we solve it. And thats not so simple.
So its not a liberal buzzword at all.
It is simple: Get the governmemt off the backs of those who innovate and build businesses (like Reagan did) and watch job growth mushroom, and family incomes rise.
Would you provide some evidence to support your view?
This is not class warfare. Why would the rich want people to be on benefit? The rich want people who can work for them in the real life.
You aren't providing any meaningful response. Why should the taxpayers be responsible for raising other people's children? If that responsibility should lie with each individual, then when an individual can't raise the children, what should we do? Giving them free money is only going to encourage the behavior.
Fair enough.
Why would the rich people to be on benefit? To reduce the cost of employees for one. If employees are paid the absolute minimum, and grateful for it then profits are maximized for the business employing them. Yes I know-those employees are also the purchasers, but I guarantee you most people don't really get this.
Why should the taxpayers be responsible for aising other peoples children? I have no idea, its not the argument *I* made. It was yours. you said people that couldnt afford to raise their children should have them placed in foster care...who exactly do you think pays for that? The people that couldn't afford the children?
Giving them free money just encourages them. Really? Poverty is such an encouragement. Its so fun! everyone should try it! No....no its not. Those "welfare moms" you refer to? you have any idea what a hell it is to raise 8 kids? *I* do, and I had more money then the welfare moms!
You are right, government handouts DO hold people back, not because hey free money! but because of how they are. Because in many cases trying to do better makes things worse. I personally believe that any assistance to cap poverty at a certain lower boundary should be given to all with no income requirements. That way its ALWAYS better to try and better yourself. But thats just me.
But seriously, the whole idea that you lose your right to vote just because you're poor is in my opinion foolish in the extreme.
Proof? Or just manmade-global-warming-style guesswork and wishful thinking by the usual government-uber-alles liberals?
Socialist thinking. Probably from "Think Progress" or "Southern Poverty Law Center."
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