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Old 11-29-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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Link: New Poll: Reagan Ranked Greatest President Of Last Hundred Years; Guess Who's the Biggest Failure? | Independent Journal Review

Heartwarming news on Thanksgiving Eve.

And the icing on the cake is that even more people think Obama is a failure than Bush. There's still three more years for his numbers to drop even more.
Here is a more important question. Who reads that publication that does that poll? That is reflective of the persons who actually read it. One reason I can't trust that poll.

There needs to be a poll where EVERYONE takes it.

 
Old 11-29-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Reagan took propaganda to a whole new level, and that propaganda works on low information people, hence, an actor like Reagan (He got his first big acting break in 1980 and nailed it!) can convince people that he was competent and he cared about them when he could have cared less about them. Nor did the next two Republican aristocrats give a damn about others unless they were wealthy. Reagan started the reckless spending that is now the Republican trademark.
I will again repeat... the 1980s Democratic-controlled Congress spent, on average, 2.8% more than Reagan asked for and 24.5% over 8 years. Every balanced budget Reagan presented to Congress was declared DOA by (Democrat) Tip O'Neil. Spending began going down only after Republicans won control of Congress in the 1994 elections.

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And he was dead wrong on what Americans want in this country, as Pres. Obama was reelected on the singular issue of Obamacare.
Obama won because of many low-information voters and those who want free handouts. The country was a lot different back in the 1980s. For example, no way would legalizing marijuana have come even close to winning at the ballot box. Or homosexual "marriage."
 
Old 11-29-2013, 12:38 PM
 
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better do a little research, some of what you say is true and for that, most of us are sorry: but, there was a reason behind the amnesty bill, which, I will say, he later regretted signing: his involvement with unions was many years before he matured should we say. After becoming a Republican he no longer supported unions and the gun issue is being taken out of context. Your only honest fact, which was his biggest mistake was the weapons to Muslims.
excuses excuses excuses, he gave amnesty because he supported illegal immigration, spin it anyway you want, but he was the best friend an illegal immigrant can have, he was a hollywood union leader when he was a grown man, not some young kid, and he supported banning guns many different times, only thing pro gun about him was when it came to him or radical Muslims owning them
 
Old 11-29-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Obama won because of many low-information voters and those who want free handouts. The country was a lot different back in the 1980s. For example, no way would legalizing marijuana have come even close to winning at the ballot box. Or homosexual "marriage."
You are half right. The country is different, people who reject progress and wish to keep America in the 19th Century are being replaced by people of color who reject the retrograde policies of people like Reagan (those policies do favor less than 5% of Americans, it should be noted)

America's best days may very well be ahead of us, if we can keep Republicans from setting this country ablaze before they follow the dinosaur into extinction. We must remain vigilant to this ever present menace.
 
Old 11-29-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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America's best days may very well be ahead of us, if we can keep Republicans from setting this country ablaze before they follow the dinosaur into extinction. We must remain vigilant to this ever present menace.
Republicans going extinct I wouldn't make a bet on that prediction especially with Obama and Democrats poll numbers sinking like the titanic.
 
Old 11-29-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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If nothing else Reagan at least made it okay to be proud to be American and he restored optimism after the Carter malaise.
Bush 43 wasn't much and Obama's been even worse. Actually, if Obama wasn't worse than Bush 43 you'd swear that Bush 43 was still in office.
I suppose for people who liked his one liners and cute little statements.

But for those of us who could see what he was doing to the country, and especially the middle class? We knew he was a disaster for the country. Look at the financial ruin we are in today. You can thank Reagan for it.
 
Old 11-29-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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You are half right. The country is different, people who reject progress and wish to keep America in the 19th Century are being replaced by people of color who reject the retrograde policies of people like Reagan (those policies do favor less than 5% of Americans, it should be noted)

America's best days may very well be ahead of us, if we can keep Republicans from setting this country ablaze before they follow the dinosaur into extinction. We must remain vigilant to this ever present menace.
It's too bad they can't find someone with a lick of common sense to step up. Christy is the only Republican I actually have respect for as far as a Presidential candidate.

The country really needs them to get their heads on straight and go back to what they USED TO STAND FOR. Business and common sense. We need them as a check and balance to some of the Democratic idiocy.

But they keep wheeling out knuckle dragging, drooling morons like Scott Walker. They are going to lose their majority in the house and this will be all Democratic for Obama's last 2 years. Then watch them whine and cry.
 
Old 11-29-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Obama won because of many low-information voters and those who want free handouts. The country was a lot different back in the 1980s. For example, no way would legalizing marijuana have come even close to winning at the ballot box. Or homosexual "marriage."
Which serves as an example of the kind of low-information voters that put Reagan in office, eh?
 
Old 11-29-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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First, the national debt did not "triple" under Reagan.

Second (and yet again), the Democratic-controlled Congress spend, on average, 2.8% more than Reagan asked for and 24.5% over 8 years. Every balanced-budget Reagan presented to Congress was declared DOA by (Democrat) Tip O'Neil.

Why did you leave out the part in which the unemployment rate was a low 5.5% by the time Reagan left office?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/19285490-post47.html
Yes, the debt did indeed triple under Reagan. The debt at the start of Reagan's first term was $800 billion and $2.8 trillion at the end of his second administration. You do the arithmetic.

While Reagan may have ended his administration with a 5.5% UE rate, it spend most of the time above 7% and only the last year below 6%.

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Old 11-29-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Gee, as decided by average person, who don't have the background to make an intelligent comparison. Show me a poll from historians and we'll have something.
nor do historians always have it right: best, worst, middle is still very subjective. And btw there was a time, a few years ago that even the historians, who, normally lean to the left did place him in the top 5 modern day Presidents. It has been a few years and I am not going to take the time to research this.
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