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Sorry Fuselage, but nutty issues such as gay marriage, free contraceptives, abortion on demand, and widespread acceptance of pornography are only considered "mainstream" to a few fringe elements on the extreme left.
The rest of sane America rightfully marginalizes such wacky ideas.
Instead, we believe in the family as a fundamental institution, and fight to preserve the values of respect for life, hard work, liberty, common decency and morality.
It is a shame that you feel otherwise.
Harrier - those are, for the most part, NOT the issues raised in the OP. Did you distort these issues on purpose or was that just an oversight?
1.) Gay marriage: It seems, going by polls and surveys, that the majority of Americans believe that this is an equal rights issue. If a majority of Americans are in favor of establishing such rights for homosexuals, then that would make gay marriage mainstream and certainly not liberal fringe. "Fringe" would mean that something like 1% are in favor. The percentage is clearly higher - around 50%. Half the population is, by all means, not a fringe group.
2.) Categorical prohibition of abortion (not abortion on demand as you state): Most Americans do not think that a woman should be forced to bear the child of a rapist, that she should bear a child even if it kills her, or that children should be forced to bear the child of a person who raped them. Categorical prohibition of abortion is fringe, not mainstream.
3.) Pornography is one of the most often and most readily consumed goods in this country. I'd argue that a good that is consumed by so many all the time is certainly mainstream. I don't see any sweeping movements to curtail pornography or its production. I am certain those people are out there but, alas, they are, indeed, a fringe group.
4.) Artificial contraception: I have a feeling that most Americans don't have an issue with taking the pill or using a condom. Do you? I have, in fact, not ever met a single person who claimed that the pill or condoms should be illegal. This issue has NOTHING to do with your argument of free contraception where the emphasis is on issuing contraceptives for, well, free.
Harrier - those are, for the most part, NOT the issues raised in the OP.
The OP:
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Originally Posted by tvdxer
Love him or loathe him (as most of C-D P&OC posters do), Rick Santorum's views on social issues, and especially how he articulates them, are some of the most radical of modern (ex-politicians). Yet I see a past where they would not be out of line but quite centrist, and that past is relatively recent:
* R.S. opposes same-sex marriage; this was the view of the overwhelming majority of Americans within my lifetime.
* R.S. opposes abortion in all instances; excluding some cases, this seems to be the general American view right up to the early-to-mid-1960s.
* R.S. strongly opposes pornography, and to the chuckle of some, made it a point in his 2012 presidential run; I'm sure that even in 1990 most politicians would be shocked at the extent of growth in the porn industry, amateur porn, its mainstream-ization, etc.
* During his brief presidential run in 2012, R.S. made the proclamation that he would begin a "national conversation" on artificial contraception. As bizarre as that may sound, the "right to contraception" for married couples was only established in 1965 in the Griswold vs CT case. Finally, contraception was a contentious issue in the first half of the 20th century and continued to be among Catholics until the 1970s.
With these points, I'm sure Rick Santorum would be considered a socially centrist politician until at least the early 1960s
Are you really this disingenuous? Or did you simply not read what I wrote?
What part of "abortion in all instances" is the same as "abortion on demand?" Do you not understand that categorical ban of abortion is different from "abortion on demand"?
What part of "a national conversation on artificial contraception" is the same as "free contraception"?
Do you really not understand that artificial contraception means anything other than timing cycles and "pulling out?"
Do you think that the pill and condoms should be illegal? That's what Rick Santorum argued and which would oppose the right to contraception.
Do you truly believe that most Americans agree with this view?
What part of having gay marriage supported by 50% of Americans makes it fringe?
What part of pornography being produced and consumed in almost unfathomable numbers in this nation makes it fringe?
Oh well, I've encountered you before. I know the answer. It's painful to realize people like you exist in this world. I must say, I am yet again, deeply appalled by your views.
LOL! The gender gap is all about the GOP anti choice position. Women make up the majority of the POTUS vote. Can't win POTUS and lose women consistently by 7 plus points.
Evidence? The gender gap on abortion views is small, much smaller than 7 points:
The polling gap for the GOP amongst women spread the last few election cycles, as the issue was brought out more in the public arena. Single women voted for the Democrat 67-31%, and they are much more likely to be pro choice than married women!
The extremists on the left can deny that fact all they want, but they are only exhibiting their own delusions.
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Thanks for good laugh!!!!
We Pennsylvanians kicked Ol' Frothy out of office by an embarrassing historic landslide! Not because he's a bad looking guy, not because he's uneducated ... but because his views are so extremely out of touch with reality and so ignorant.
Sorry Fuselage, but nutty issues such as gay marriage, free contraceptives, abortion on demand, and widespread acceptance of pornography are only considered "mainstream" to a few fringe elements on the extreme left.
The rest of sane America rightfully marginalizes such wacky ideas.
Instead, we believe in the family as a fundamental institution, and fight to preserve the values of respect for life, hard work, liberty, common decency and morality.
When would Rick Santorum's views on social issues be mainstream?
19th century.
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When would Rick Santorum's views on social issues be mainstream?
