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"It is axiomatic that a president who screws over half the population of the country in the most personal way cannot be regarded tenderly by history. By in effect imposing a massive tax increase disguised as health insurance cost increases, after promising that health care costs would go down, he risks what I have dubbed the Obamacare Recession hitting the country hard next year. Families are going to have cut spending on all sorts of discretionary purchases, and restaurants, hard goods producers, housing, and almost all other sectors of the economy are going to be hit hard"
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There can be no doubt that the above will prove to be true. When the government demands so much more of your personal income (with you getting nothing in return) the effect it will have on the economy is obvious.
Fewer dollars in circulation to buy goods and services. We will all be hurting. And, the Democrats cannot call it the Bush recession any longer. They own it entirely.
The rest of the above linked article will make you just as sick.
When B. Clinton was in office we were living like Kings without a care in the world, and everyone's stocks were making money.
But then GW Bush came along and gave the rich a $3 trillion dollar tax cut (and added $3 trillion dollars to our national debt, and this sent financial shock waves to all the states.)
Then Bush attacked Iraq in the name of Sept 11 (when Iraq had nothing to do with Sept 11.) And this act wasted around $900 billion dollars so far.
We are still paying for Bush's tax cuts and his Iraq war today. But all of the above "nation shaking facts" mean nothing in the republican fantasy land.
Obamacare was made by the same people who made Romneycare. And Romneycare slowed healthcare growth costs by 50%, and it only increased government spending by 1%.
But perhaps Obamacare will hurt America, but you can't have a honest conversation about it with someone like you. You are not about helping America, rather you are about making Obama look bad so republicans can get into office and lower taxes on large corporations and the rich.
When B. Clinton was in office we were living like Kings without a care in the world, and everyone's stocks were making money.
Really? As I recall, the dot-com bubble was going on then. It had NOTHING to do with Clinton.
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But then GW Bush came along and gave the rich a $3 trillion dollar tax cut (and added $3 trillion dollars to our national debt, and this sent financial shock waves to all the states.)
This is pure drivel.
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Then Bush attacked Iraq in the name of Sept 11 (when Iraq had nothing to do with Sept 11.) And this act wasted around $900 billion dollars so far.
Or, over a period of a decade plus, Bush "wasted" (according to you) what Obama does in 6 months. But you have no problem with Obama, and probably insist he's fixing the problem.
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We are still paying for Bush's tax cuts and his Iraq war today. But all of the above "nation shaking facts" mean nothing in the republican fantasy land.
Uhhh... How can I "pay" for a tax cut? I mean, how do I have to pay for keeping my money?
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Obamacare was made by the same people who made Romneycare. And Romneycare slowed healthcare growth costs by 50%, and it only increased government spending by 1%.
Right. Got other fairytales to tell? Like, how wait times are increasing, how the medical system is on a very slow "implode"? Government NEVER fixes anything. It just screws it up worse.
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But perhaps Obamacare will hurt America, but you can't have a honest conversation about it with someone like you. You are not about helping America, rather you are about making Obama look bad so republicans can get into office and lower taxes on large corporations and the rich.
Well, you complained that "you" won't have an honest conversation... but I note that nothing you've said in this post is honest. Hypocritical, massively, no?
Not sure that will happen, unless the TEA folks brew up a new kettle of truth.
My Rep. is a Republican, and we have both a Republican and a Democrat Senator. The Democrat, of course, is a lost cause; he's as "progressive" as they come, and writes glowing newsletters about how wonderful the ACA is.
I keep writing to my Republican Rep. and Senator, and trying to impress on them that the 'Tea Party' (by now everyone, I hope, realizes that this isn't a real party) is not the enemy. I know too many of them, and they are average Americans with jobs, families, kids, etc., whose desire it is to see the restoration of our Constitutional government, and to get the government out of the private lives of individuals, stifling the growth of our businesses (and therefore, job creation). I have told them how the 'Tea Party' works hard to get Republicans elected, and it is our goal, just as it is theirs, to see the Senate controlled once again by Republicans, and also to maintain our control of the House.
It is clear now, that Ted Cruz was right on target (I stood with him) with his demands to defund/delay/repeal the ACA, as now Obama and the Democrats have taken steps to at least delay it. Clearly it is a turkey!
I intend to keep writing them to make these points, and I am intent on demanding that this turkey be repealed completely. There is no 'fix' that will do anything but delay the inevitable train wreck. This mess can not be fixed; it is a disaster that will destroy lives and the U.S. economy (and it has already destroyed some peoples lives).
When people find they must shell out thousands of additional dollars each year for health insurance that does nothing for them untill they shell out additional thousands in 'out of pocket' costs, their personal finances will be stretched to or beyond their limits. No one will have the money to buy anything.
On top of that, Obama's other policies promise to make energy bills skyrocket, food costs (already on the rise) increase considerably, and virtually every good and service will be affected. This scenario has been pointed out by virtally every financial analyst I have heard commenting on it. But, Democrats are still in denial. Secretely they know it's true; but, that's what they want to happen. Collapse the economy, and then implement their Marxist/socialist form of government.
Huh? You do know that the grassroots has seriously invaded the GOP, right? Still, political parties are very top-down organizations. It's a very difficult thing to actually move a party or replace the leadership - which currently is far more in love with being washington DC socialites than doing anything that needs to be done.
I don't call it an "invasion." It is really an attempt to bring the Republican Party back to it's roots. They have become like the Democrats in almost every way. Look at John McCain. Perfect example: A Democrat with an elephant pin on his lapel. He even stood with a couple of the most left wing Democrats in denouncing Ted Cruz in public!!! That is totally unacceptable. Democrats don't denouce their own in public, in full view of the entire Nation.
Obamacare, new regulations and restrictions, none of that will do as much damage to us as the two things you've mentioned.
This constant QE is killing us slowly but surely. Let's see how happy everyone is when the music stops and everyone has to find a seat.
Obamacare, and those new regulations and restrictions, will. And more. All such government interference is a drag on the economy and the productivity of Americans.
You cannot drain the bank accounts of the citizens and the companies they work for and expect a country to flourish. That is insanity.
That's not how you will gain sense - rather maturely reading and considering what other people are saying, instead of relying on the echo chamber that simply plays back to you what your partisan bias prompts you to want to hear, does that. That's why I actually listen to your side of the issues, and I factor it into my thinking. You need to learn to do the same. You need to stop blinding yourself to the moral aspects of this issue, your Chicken Little "The Sky is going to be Falling" nonsense notwithstanding. You need to start caring more about people than about money.
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This was a plan made in hell by liberals
Repeating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie. This was a plan made on Massachusetts Avenue in Washington by right-wingers. I don't expect you to admit the lie publicly, but at least admit to yourself that you've been lying to yourself. A "rational person, regardless of party", would.
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Has the last recession ever ended? I can tell you many,many Americans would argue it hasn't.
Arguments from ignorance aren't impressive. Arguments that rely on definition of the economy being "what affects me personally and nothing else" are ridiculously immature.
That's not how you will gain sense - rather maturely reading and considering what other people are saying, instead of relying on the echo chamber that simply plays back to you what your partisan bias prompts you to want to hear, does that. That's why I actually listen to your side of the issues, and I factor it into my thinking. You need to learn to do the same. You need to stop blinding yourself to the moral aspects of this issue, your Chicken Little "The Sky is going to be Falling" nonsense notwithstanding. You need to start caring more about people than about money.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it less of a lie. This was a plan made on Massachusetts Avenue in Washington by right-wingers. I don't expect you to admit the lie publicly, but at least admit to yourself that you've been lying to yourself. A "rational person, regardless of party", would.
Arguments from ignorance aren't impressive. Arguments that rely on definition of the economy being "what affects me personally and nothing else" are ridiculously immature.
And the so called (administration) "proof" of the end of said recession means very little if anything at all to the person on the street when their wallet is empty, they're living on unemployment extension part X and have no idea when they will find actual full time work again.
Beyond that ... There were eight recessions in the second half of the 20th Century. There have been two recessions in the 21st Century so far, one starting in 2001 and the other starting in 2007. That means we're due for six more over the next 37 years, and that the next one is statistically due within the next five years. "Predicting" something practically destined to happen is silly.
The difference is that before other recessions there were periods of solid growth. Obama has not been able to produce any real growth. His fed "printing" hundreds of billions has only increased asset prices which bumped the economy slightly. But there is a price to pay for this in future inflation and a risk that we will lose our stayus as the world currency. He has presided over the greatest decrease in employment in generations.
Ironically, the greatest success in job creation has been in an industry he despises and has done all he can to thwart, oil and gas fracking.
And what, exactly, are Republicans doing to help them win elections?
Besides trying to pass laws that would make it illegal for consenting adults to have oral sex,
No one is doing that. Have you got some proof? Link from a credible source, or anything at all to back up this absurd accusation?
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making dog fighting accessible to children,
No one is going to make dog fighting accessible to children, or have they even suggested it. Where are you getting this garbage? "Media Matters?" "Think Progress?" "Daily Kos?" Where? None of those sources have any credibility whatsoever.
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and having birther rallies in front of the White House?
I don't care what you call the rally, we do have the right to "peacably assemble." I think that would apply equally to all peaceful groups. I couldn't care less if they are called "birthers." They do have the right. Were you arguing that "Occupy Wall Street" shouldn't be rallying (demonstrating)? They weren't peaceful, and they were damaging private property and doing all kinds of unspeakable acts. Did you complain?
Has the last recession ever ended? I can tell you many,many Americans would argue it hasn't.
Did I say it did? Where?
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