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Old 12-04-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What is the average life expectancy of a species on planet earth over the last 4.5 billion years?
varies.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:44 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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What is the average life expectancy of a species on planet earth over the last 4.5 billion years?
Good question, can't be that long in terms of geological time periods. We had quite a few mass extinction events that nearly erased life.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:46 PM
 
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varies.
An "average" doesn't vary.

I guess my Canadian friend from the education thread is correct.

I'll qualify the question: just mammals.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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And who can say when it will stop, or if it will fall back into another ice-age. For all you or I know, the climate might want to warm back up to the era of the Holocene Optimum, before the little ice-age.
We don't know. We do know that this planet's ability to recover and process our pollution is reaching a tipping point. We do know that greenhouse emissions contributes to short term pollution issues such as smog and particulate matter. Seems with better global pollution regulations we could kill two birds with one stone.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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An "average" doesn't vary.

I guess my Canadian friend from the education thread is correct.

I'll qualify the question: just mammals.
Mammals have been around for a fraction of the time of Earth's history. Do you not know how to use google, or is there some sort of grand point?
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Mammals have been around for a fraction of the time of Earth's history. Do you not know how to use google, or is there some sort of grand point?
There is always a grand point.

Humans are a blip. Warmers seem terribly concerned about the survival of a species that by all accounts is an anomaly. Humans have adapted dramatically over the last 200k years and we will continue to adapt. If it gets cold we will move to a warmer climate. If it gets warm we will move to a cooler climate. Some won't survive. It's been that way for 5 billion years. I thought the Left was the party of science and evolution.

There are currently populations that live in Africa and Australia in far warmer temps than the US and they do so without any A/C. In the north, native populations have adapted to extreme cold and survived for centuries without modern heat. I saw kids drink water in India that would probably kill an American child. Humans adapt but nature always wins.

To expect us to reverse the impact of humans by taxing carbon is not scientific. It makes about as much sense as taxing a beaver for damming a river because it messes up the ecosystem for the deer population downstream.

The answer to the question is 800k years if you believe the science. We are due for replacement.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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There is always a grand point.

Humans are a blip. Warmers seem terribly concerned about the survival of a species that by all accounts is an anomaly. Humans have adapted dramatically over the last 200k years and we will continue to adapt. If it gets cold we will move to a warmer climate. If it gets warm we will move to a cooler climate. Some won't survive. It's been that way for 5 billion years. I thought the Left was the party of science and evolution.

There are currently populations that live in Africa and Australia in far warmer temps than the US and they do so without any A/C. In the north, native populations have adapted to extreme cold and survived for centuries without modern heat. I saw kids drink water in India that would probably kill an American child. Humans adapt but nature always wins.

To expect us to reverse the impact of humans by taxing carbon is not scientific. It makes about as much sense as taxing a beaver for damming a river because it messes up the ecosystem for the deer population downstream.

The answer to the question is 800k years if you believe the science. We are due for replacement.
We will continue to adapt as long as we continue to learn and study the world around us, and this includes studying the effects of global warming and how we can adapt to those changes rather than act like nothing will come from it.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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There is always a grand point.

Humans are a blip. Warmers seem terribly concerned about the survival of a species that by all accounts is an anomaly. Humans have adapted dramatically over the last 200k years and we will continue to adapt. If it gets cold we will move to a warmer climate. If it gets warm we will move to a cooler climate. Some won't survive. It's been that way for 5 billion years. I thought the Left was the party of science and evolution.

There are currently populations that live in Africa and Australia in far warmer temps than the US and they do so without any A/C. In the north, native populations have adapted to extreme cold and survived for centuries without modern heat. I saw kids drink water in India that would probably kill an American child. Humans adapt but nature always wins.

To expect us to reverse the impact of humans by taxing carbon is not scientific. It makes about as much sense as taxing a beaver for damming a river because it messes up the ecosystem for the deer population downstream.

The answer to the question is 800k years if you believe the science. We are due for replacement.
When was the last time we had 7 billion people in an increasingly industrialized society........ Don't bother answering as the answer is never.

So essentially it sounds like you want to throw up the white flag and just deal with the problems as they come up. Am I wrong?
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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If you go off the chart I provided, that is an incorrect statement seeing it starts in a negative number.

Also, you are welcome to disagree with me all you want, the change has been drastic and one that should be studied.

I provided proof that the global temperature was warming and has been warming over the past 130 years, if you choose to ignore that pattern, that isn't my problem.
Actually, the temperatures drop and that is why they go negative, then they increase, then they drop again, and then they increase again, etc. As NASA so kindly demonstrated by actually stating the amount of overall increase as 0.51°C. Any attempt by you to make it bigger than what NASA actually posted is deceit.

If you think a temperature increase, or decrease for that matter, when we do not have to do anything to accommodate that increase or decrease, is a "drastic" change, then I can only conclude that you are prone to irrational hyperbole.

In the last 130 years we have done absolutely nothing to adapt to the changing climate. When we actually have to do something, anything, in order to accommodate the changing climate then we can revisit how "drastic" that change was.

As I originally posted, I do not dispute NASA's data. What I dispute is your efforts to make a mountain out of a mole hill by exaggerating the facts, making statements that are flat out wrong, and using irrational hyperbole.
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