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Old 12-02-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Was it the Pope's promotion of charity which caused Limbaugh's head explode? Or did he say something else to drive him off the edge?

 
Old 12-02-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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I'm not Catholic or even Christian, but I have to say that the current pope is awesome. This guy embodies what it means to be a follower of Jesus. He is a true example to the world of the power of the message of Jesus Christ.
 
Old 12-02-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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When I first heard this pope speak I definitely thought he was a socialist.
 
Old 12-02-2013, 08:11 PM
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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church [written by a council of bishops, approved by Pope John Paul II in 1992]:

A just wage is the legitimate fruit of work. To refuse or withhold it can be a grave injustice. In determining fair pay both the needs and the contributions of each person must be taken into account. "Remuneration for work should guarantee man the opportunity to provide a dignified livelihood for himself and his family on the material, social, cultural and spiritual level, taking into account the role and the productivity of each, the state of the business, and the common good." Agreement between the parties is not sufficient to justify morally the amount to be received in wages.


Those responsible for business enterprises are responsible to society for the economic and ecological effects of their operations. They have an obligation to consider the good of persons and not only the increase of profits. Profits are necessary, however. They make possible the investments that ensure the future of a business and they guarantee employment.

The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor. Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market." Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.


The development of economic activity and growth in production are meant to provide for the needs of human beings. Economic life is not meant solely to multiply goods produced and increase profit or power; it is ordered first of all to the service of persons, of the whole man, and of the entire human community. Economic activity, conducted according to its own proper methods, is to be exercised within the limits of the moral order, in keeping with social justice so as to correspond to God's plan for man.


"The Church's love for the poor . . . is a part of her constant tradition." This love is inspired by the Gospel of the Beatitudes, of the poverty of Jesus, and of his concern for the poor. Love for the poor is even one of the motives for the duty of working so as to "be able to give to those in need."


from

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p3s2c2a7.htm

OMG! The pope is... Catholic.
 
Old 12-02-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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Jesus told us to give to the poor, help each other out, generally mind our own business, and so on. He also warned us that it is easier for a camel to pass through the needle's eye than for a rich man to enter heaven.

Rush, meanwhile, has spent his career spewing hatred and grossly inaccurate nonsense passing as news. He's also a worthless hypocrite, complete with drug addictions and other personal failings which, while forgivable in their own right, are unacceptable when paired with his arrogant, holier-than-thou, hate-mongering.

So, long story short - Rush (as usual) is spewing hatred and has no idea what he's talking about. He might want to put down the prescription painkillers and actually read the Bible - you know, the parts that deal with what JESUS taught vs. Paul's ramblings and whatever nonsense he found in the Old Testament.
While I dont support yo9ur hatred, I DO supoport your observation. Idealoges of all stripes need to be taken with several grains of salt.
 
Old 12-03-2013, 04:33 AM
 
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Default Catholics and Communists: Rush has company.

The pro-North Korean "Catholic Priests Association for Justice" (CPAJ), a leftist anti-war group promoting Korean reunification through appeasement of the communists has been actively working against the South Korean government, and opposes sanctions against the North and also its "National Security Law" which forbids communism and Marxist activism, and opposes all organizations sympathetic to the North.

Articles: Catholics and Communists

Korea is an illustration of the failure of communism, and the success of capitalism, the South becoming "a vibrant economic power house and world technology leader," while the North continues to decay, with nothing but starvation, brutality, and hopelessness for it's people.

Why do these priests sympathize with the North, in view of the North's record of inhumannity and oppression of it's people? The author offers this:
"The priests, as their action committee's name declares, are for "justice," which in modern Catholic parlance, of course, implies economic equality achieved through redistribution, i.e., the universal annihilation of profit, property, and prosperity. In short, they favor "democratic" slavery in the form of progressivism. I will not hold my breath waiting for expressions of surprise on this point.

For generations, the global Catholic Church, at leadership levels, has been deeply invested in progressive collectivism." (That is Marxism, for those who don't know it)
Further, the author states:
"Thus in almost every instance in which progressive political forces have dispensed with the anti-religious rhetoric, one may find priests and bishops standing on the side of authoritarian collectivism, and against individual freedom. From the long Catholic-communist alliance in the African National Congress (warmly praised a few weeks ago by South Africa's Minister of Justice) to the role of the clergy in the radicalization of Central and South America -- the birthplace of Marxist liberation theology -- the pattern is monotonous. Pope Francis, though perhaps more moderate than other Catholic leaders hailing from [t]his part of the world, is representative of the general trend.

So then, last week we had Rush Limbaugh making the statement that the Pope is promoting Marxist ideology, and Leftists come unglued and begin their usual (and expected) rant against his astute (as usual) observation of Pope Francis's folly.

The current teachings of the Catholic Church, and sadly some Protestant Churches as well, is what is known among those of us who are "born again" believers (not to be confused with "charismatic") as the "social gospel." This is the gospel that almost entirely ignores the reason Christ came , which was to announce the "good news" of God's plan of Salvation (reconcilliation of man to God) through Faith (believing in the Son of God, Jesus Christ), and instead focuses on social issues relating to Christ's teachings of love for one another (Christ was specifically speaking to believers), and other "feel good" warm fuzzys that they take out of context from the pages of scripture.

All the trappings of Marxist/socialist thought can be found in many of our churches, while the truth of the Gospel of Chirst is nearly non-existent.

I implore everyone who may wish to comment to read the full article first, as there is much more information than I have included here, and it is well supported.

Last edited by nononsenseguy; 12-03-2013 at 04:45 AM..
 
Old 12-03-2013, 07:23 AM
 
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Default Rush in good company

The pro-North Korean "Catholic Priests Association for Justice" (CPAJ), a leftist anti-war group promoting Korean reunification through appeasement of the communists has been actively working against the South Korean government, and opposes sanctions against the North and also its "National Security Law" which forbids communism and Marxist activism, and opposes all organizations sympathetic to the North.

Articles: Catholics and Communists

Korea is an illustration of the failure of communism, and the success of capitalism, the South becoming "a vibrant economic power house and world technology leader," while the North continues to decay, with nothing but starvation, brutality, and hopelessness for it's people.

Why do these priests sympathize with the North, in view of the North's record of inhumannity and oppression of it's people? The author offers this:
"The priests, as their action committee's name declares, are for "justice," which in modern Catholic parlance, of course, implies economic equality achieved through redistribution, i.e., the universal annihilation of profit, property, and prosperity. In short, they favor "democratic" slavery in the form of progressivism. I will not hold my breath waiting for expressions of surprise on this point.

For generations, the global Catholic Church, at leadership levels, has been deeply invested in progressive collectivism." (That is Marxism, for those who don't know it)
Further, the author states:
"Thus in almost every instance in which progressive political forces have dispensed with the anti-religious rhetoric, one may find priests and bishops standing on the side of authoritarian collectivism, and against individual freedom. From the long Catholic-communist alliance in the African National Congress (warmly praised a few weeks ago by South Africa's Minister of Justice) to the role of the clergy in the radicalization of Central and South America -- the birthplace of Marxist liberation theology -- the pattern is monotonous. Pope Francis, though perhaps more moderate than other Catholic leaders hailing from [t]his part of the world, is representative of the general trend.

So then, last week we had Rush Limbaugh making the statement that the Pope is promoting Marxist ideology, and Leftists come unglued and begin their usual (and expected) rant against his astute (as usual) observation of Pope Francis's folly.

The current teachings of the Catholic Church, and sadly some Protestant Churches as well, is what is known among those of us who are "born again" believers (not to be confused with "charismatic") as the "social gospel." This is the gospel that almost entirely ignores the reason Christ came , which was to announce the "good news" of God's plan of Salvation (reconcilliation of man to God) through Faith (believing in the Son of God, Jesus Christ), and instead focuses on social issues relating to Christ's teachings of love for one another (Christ was specifically speaking to believers), and other "feel good" warm fuzzys that they take out of context from the pages of scripture.

All the trappings of Marxist/socialist thought can be found in many of our churches, while the truth of the Gospel of Chirst is nearly non-existent.

I implore everyone who may wish to comment to read the full article first, as there is much more information than I have included here, and it is well supported.
 
Old 12-03-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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The Catholic church has a long history of wanting to gain and hold political power.

It would not be even slightly surprising to have them side with authoritarian views over individual freedom principles.
 
Old 12-04-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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Default Limbaugh trashes Pope

I guess it was either a slow news day or Chrismas is coming and Rush needs more money so lets bash the Pope...

Rush Limbaugh vs. Pope Francis: Talk Show Host Attacks 'Pure Marxism' Of 'Evangelii Gaudium'
 
Old 12-04-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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I guess it was either a slow news day or Chrismas is coming and Rush needs more money so lets bash the Pope...

Rush Limbaugh vs. Pope Francis: Talk Show Host Attacks 'Pure Marxism' Of 'Evangelii Gaudium'

Hey-

Leave our Pope alone. Most Catholics find the new Pope refreshing and voices thoughts which emulate those of Christ.
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