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Old 12-03-2013, 04:58 PM
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Our present judicial system attracts dishonest people to the legal profession. It needs to be changed to a system whose primary goals are truth and honesty. The primary goal of a criminal lawyer should be to keep his client from being wrongly convicted, slandered, etc. Not to help his client get off on technicalities. A client who is rightfully convicted should be considered to have been served well by his lawyer, because he got what he deserved. The primary job of a lawyer should be to help get what his client deserves.

To make it work fairly to everyone, all lawyers should be employees of the court, and paid out of taxes. They should be constantly monitored for honesty, and fired whenever found to be dishonest.

The biggest problems of this scheme are: (1) How would we get it past the politicians, who tend to be dishonest lawyers? (2) What would we do with all the dishonest lawyers who would no longer have work?
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:25 PM
 
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Our present judicial system attracts dishonest people to the legal profession. It needs to be changed to a system whose primary goals are truth and honesty. The primary goal of a criminal lawyer should be to keep his client from being wrongly convicted, slandered, etc. Not to help his client get off on technicalities. A client who is rightfully convicted should be considered to have been served well by his lawyer, because he got what he deserved. The primary job of a lawyer should be to help get what his client deserves.

To make it work fairly to everyone, all lawyers should be employees of the court, and paid out of taxes.
I have a feeling that if you are ever wrongly charged with something you are going to want more than a lawyer being paid out of taxes.

As a second point.......why should I have to pay to defend a Bernie Madoff? I should have more taken out of my paycheck so that Bernie could keep his?
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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Lawyers are officers of the court.

In my experience, that is a bad thing.

Like Hillary Clinton said, "You can't BE a lawyer without representing the banks."
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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Our present judicial system attracts dishonest people to the legal profession. It needs to be changed to a system whose primary goals are truth and honesty. The primary goal of a criminal lawyer should be to keep his client from being wrongly convicted, slandered, etc. Not to help his client get off on technicalities. A client who is rightfully convicted should be considered to have been served well by his lawyer, because he got what he deserved. The primary job of a lawyer should be to help get what his client deserves.

To make it work fairly to everyone, all lawyers should be employees of the court, and paid out of taxes. They should be constantly monitored for honesty, and fired whenever found to be dishonest.

The biggest problems of this scheme are: (1) How would we get it past the politicians, who tend to be dishonest lawyers? (2) What would we do with all the dishonest lawyers who would no longer have work?
Welfare for lawyers?

Oh, gawd.
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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Our present judicial system attracts dishonest people to the legal profession. It needs to be changed to a system whose primary goals are truth and honesty. The primary goal of a criminal lawyer should be to keep his client from being wrongly convicted, slandered, etc. Not to help his client get off on technicalities. A client who is rightfully convicted should be considered to have been served well by his lawyer, because he got what he deserved. The primary job of a lawyer should be to help get what his client deserves.

To make it work fairly to everyone, all lawyers should be employees of the court, and paid out of taxes. They should be constantly monitored for honesty, and fired whenever found to be dishonest.

The biggest problems of this scheme are: (1) How would we get it past the politicians, who tend to be dishonest lawyers? (2) What would we do with all the dishonest lawyers who would no longer have work?
The same can be said of a lot of system if one wants to. humans;pure and simple.
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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To make it work fairly to everyone, all lawyers should be employees of the court, and paid out of taxes. They should be constantly monitored for honesty, and fired whenever found to be dishonest.
How do you hire someone when your requirement disqualifies every applicant?
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:33 PM
 
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I thought I got lucky, My choice was an attorney. Damn! She was honest!

That said, I get it.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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Our present judicial system attracts dishonest people to the legal profession. It needs to be changed to a system whose primary goals are truth and honesty. The primary goal of a criminal lawyer should be to keep his client from being wrongly convicted, slandered, etc. Not to help his client get off on technicalities. A client who is rightfully convicted should be considered to have been served well by his lawyer, because he got what he deserved. The primary job of a lawyer should be to help get what his client deserves.

To make it work fairly to everyone, all lawyers should be employees of the court, and paid out of taxes. They should be constantly monitored for honesty, and fired whenever found to be dishonest.

The biggest problems of this scheme are: (1) How would we get it past the politicians, who tend to be dishonest lawyers? (2) What would we do with all the dishonest lawyers who would no longer have work?
Well public defenders are paid by the taxpayers. What you call "technicalities" are actually laws. I don't understand what you are asking for? Forcing everyone to just be given a court appointed attorney? Hell I would defend myself if that were the case. Or would that be against the law in your world too?
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