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Old 12-03-2013, 06:58 PM
 
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Precedent is not a justification or excuse. It is irrelevant.
The concept of stare decisis points at you and laughs.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:04 PM
 
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Ain't you never heard of precedential power?

A friend of mine is involved in a federal court action where his request to the judge to order the government to "produce" documents that had to have existed, by statutory requirement, at the time of my friend's transactions with the government, was that the judge ordered the government to produce the documents.

The government responded that since the government violated their own statutes by having not created the documents necessary for the transactions with my friend, that they couldn't "produce" them because they do not exist.

My friend ordered the government to CONSTRUCT the documents.

The judge said that he couldn't order the government to construct the documents, because their was no precedent for ordering the government to construct documents that the statutes required them to have constructed earlier. Then was then, now is now.

The judge claims that he has no power to order the government to comply with the statutes now because there is no precedent for a judge to correct a government fraud after the fact.

Many judges and other government officials apparently believe that a statute has no existence until there is precedent to explain the statute.

Maybe Obamacare doesn't really exist until there is precedent for its existence.

Must be a warped version of a - "nothing new under the sun rule".
Ummm... Just because courts operate under a silly construct where they pretend that "precedent" means something, it doesn't. It's just a fiction that makes it easier to do what you want to do and ignore the law.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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He is NOT "delaying them in accordance with statute".

He's just flat out re-writing the law for partisan purpose.
Could you point to the page or section number of the ACA that Obama is re-writing?

Read the Law | HHS.gov/healthcare
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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Ummm... Just because courts operate under a silly construct where they pretend that "precedent" means something, it doesn't. It's just a fiction that makes it easier to do what you want to do and ignore the law.
Only an "originalist" believes that a statute, without confirming precedent, has any force and effect of law.

I once presented a novel idea for a new product to a large corporation, and they told me that "ideas" are a dime a dozen, and, "get back to us when you have a patent".

So I got the patent, but when I got back to them, they said a patent doesn't mean ANYTHING until it has been tested in the courts. I guess I was supposed to go out and get sued so I could come back to them with a "Decision".

Gotta have court approval for anything to exist, man.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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The concept of stare decisis points at you and laughs.
Too much stare decisis can cause blindness.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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Default Expert Testifies to Congress that Obama’s ‘Ignoring Laws’ Could Lead to Overthrow of Government

Unfortunately Obama maybe setting the stage for major violence in this nation. How sad what this horrible man is doing to this nation.

Expert Testifies to Congress that Obama’s ‘Ignoring Laws’ Could Lead to Overthrow of Government | Mediaite
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Ok.....
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Unfortunately Obama maybe setting the stage for major violence in this nation. How sad what this horrible man is doing to this nation.

Expert Testifies to Congress that Obama’s ‘Ignoring Laws’ Could Lead to Overthrow of Government | Mediaite
So you guy's are ready to pull the trigger? Just need the excuse?
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I thought they were just a second ago, coming for our big black guns to prevent this?
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Unfortunately Obama maybe setting the stage for major violence in this nation. How sad what this horrible man is doing to this nation.

Expert Testifies to Congress that Obama’s ‘Ignoring Laws’ Could Lead to Overthrow of Government | Mediaite
Sounds like you just can't wait. Sweaty palms, increased heart rate, itchy trigger finger and a tumescence in your nether regions.
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