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animals don't really "think" nor reason, do they? since you want to try to side step let me say it more plainly. people who think or reason that sex is for procreation do so from religious teaching.
so if a woman decides to keep her baby as a consequence, its a punishment?
If someone doesn't pay their mortgage and pisses their money away at a casino and loses
their home as a consequence, that is a punishment for losing their home?
so.....you disagree with biology then that sex means procreation?
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animals don't really "think" nor reason, do they? since you want to try to side step let me say it more plainly. people who think or reason that sex is for procreation do so from religious teaching.
assauting men with spray paint because they do not agree with your opinion should not be legal.
I would love to see what would have happened if any of those men did that to those hags.
double standard.
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Got it. So women who do something that's legal.....they get called hags. If women support something that is legal under the laws of the United States..... they get called hags. If women assert their rights by law..... they get called hags.
some animals are smart of enough to think and reason.
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animals don't really "think" nor reason, do they? since you want to try to side step let me say it more plainly. people who think or reason that sex is for procreation do so from religious teaching.
assauting men with spray paint because they do not agree with your opinion should not be legal.
I would love to see what would have happened if any of those men did that to those hags.
double standard.
Yes, yes, yes. You've already made it clear you like to call names and think women are hags. Your mother must be proud.
Animals have sex because they are instinctively driven to do so. For some animals, it is also pleasurable, and so the drive to have sex is not just about procreation, but about pleasure. Human beings have sex to procreate, to experience pleasure, and, like other animals, to show domination, to enforce control over others. Sex, like most human activities, is complicated and involves context.
The idea that women and men have different sexual roles is often rooted in religion, and most especially in patriarchal religions where women, bloodlines, and progeny are mixed up with property. Patriarchal societies put women in subordinate social positions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all patriarchal religions that have formed the culture of patriarchal societies.
Modern societies recognize the contributions women have made, and the contributions that women can make. Gender does not have to limit those contributions. Patriarchies by their very definition do place limits on women. And in modern societies, women have fought those limitations. Much to the dismay of some men.
They shouted at some men, they spray-painted them, and they burned the Pope in effigy.
While I think the spray-painting could be considered assault-
It is assault, and would be considered that much more unanimously if this were a group religious fanatics spraying paint on a bunch of people who were peaceably standing up for the right of women to abort.
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I think spray-painting a man's crotch is probably less of an assault then spraying pepper spray in his face.
Naturally. Of course, that doesn't exonerate the behavior described in the OP, the topic.
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I also think the Catholic Church's continued insistence that women are second-class and inferior to men (the sole reason for prohibiting female priests), is a form of assault. What think you?
Not assault, but unjust discrimination and sexism? Sure. I happen to think people's right to speak freely should not be tampered with, and this includes people I disagree with. It's when they physically violate someone else and/or their property, they should have the book thrown at them.
If it was reversed and topless males attacked and spat on lesbians outside a gay bar - imagine the world-wide news of "homophobic rapists" attacking poor women! The Horror!!
It is assault, and would be considered that much more unanimously if this were a group religious fanatics spraying paint on a bunch of people who were peaceably standing up for the right of women to abort.
Naturally. Of course, that doesn't exonerate the behavior described in the OP, the topic.
Not assault, but unjust discrimination and sexism? Sure. I happen to think people's right to speak freely should not be tampered with, and this includes people I disagree with. It's when they physically violate someone else and/or their property, they should have the book thrown at them.
Women have been the receivers of centuries of discrimination and sexism at the hands of the Catholic Church. And the Church still holds to its discriminatory beliefs. So the frustration that fuels these protests is understandable. I think if one puts the degree of harm that the Catholic Church has done to women, and balanced it against the degree of harm that these women did, that the scales would show that the Catholic Church has done much more harm.
I think, as well, that the OP's source on this is extremely biased. As I pointed out earlier, some of this protest was about Catholics attacking a Jewish temple earlier in November when they were conducting a memorial about Kristal Nacht, and some of this protest was about the Catholic Church's continued discrimination against women, and the influence that the church wields in Argentina. It was not just about abortion.
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