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Old 12-05-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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I don't care who listen to. The whole Saul Alinsky is the devil nonsense originates in idiotic right wing conspiracy fantasy world.

Yeah over 90%. Go up to anyone you think is a liberal and ask them to quote a single thing Saul Alinsky has ever written. Yeah Hiliary Clinton's supposed thesis represents liberals in 2013. LOL so illogical


This is the problem with conservatives they have to have enemies, both foreign and domestic. Not policy differences, but the belief that these people are out to destroy America is one hall mark of the irrationality of conservative political thinking but that paranoia and fear is one of the things that binds conservatives.
Head meet sand......
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And neither will you apparently.
Well I will never understand the Republican version of math, science, and economics, that is for sure because it is clearly created from ignorance.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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lol, some one needs to pass 5th grade

ism (ˈɪzəm)
n. Informal
A distinctive doctrine, system, theory, or FAITH

ism [ˈɪzəm]
n
Informal, often derogatory an unspecified doctrine, system, or practice

Noun 1. ism - a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school

Thesaurus:
belief - any cognitive content held as true
credo, creed - any system of principles or beliefs
dogma - a doctrine or code of beliefs accepted as authoritative; "he believed all the Marxist dogma"

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re·li·gion n.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.







liberalISM,republicISM, socialISM etc

ISM is religion...liberalISM is a religion
Then by your definition, Republicanism is a religion, tea partyism is a religion, conservatism is a religion, everything you can attach a "ism" to is a religion, so basically you are watering down the word "religion" until it is a truly worthless word.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I don't care who listen to. The whole Saul Alinsky is the devil nonsense originates in idiotic right wing conspiracy fantasy world.

Yeah over 90%. Go up to anyone you think is a liberal and ask them to quote a single thing Saul Alinsky has ever written. Yeah Hiliary Clinton's supposed thesis represents liberals in 2013. LOL so illogical


This is the problem with conservatives they have to have enemies, both foreign and domestic. Not policy differences, but the belief that these people are out to destroy America is one hall mark of the irrationality of conservative political thinking but that paranoia and fear is one of the things that binds conservatives.
you don't get it....

FDR...new world order
LBJ...new world order
carter....new world order
bush (also a liberal globalist)...new world order
Clinton...new world order...bridge to the next world
Obama...new world order

ea ch and everyone of them mentiond new world order in one form or another

yep new world order....brzezinski the mentor..the mentories....carter, bush1, clinton, bush2, obama...all PROGRESSIVES

THE TEN STEPS OF KARL MARX (With my comments interspersed). Taken from the Communist Manifesto

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

We already have this in America. Through property taxes we have been made serfs on our own land. Through tyrannical zoning laws, wetlands regulations, EPA regulations, etc., we no longer control our lands. Our once strong private property rights have been abolished through regulatory oppression, bureaucratic tyranny and unbiblical types of taxation.

2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

We already have this in America. The higher your income, the higher the tax bracket you are placed in for purposes of calculating your tax bill. The constitution teaches us the principle of equality...(like you would get from the Flat Tax ). Why do liberals pretend to want to tax the wealthy more? Because it advances their program for fomenting class envy and class warfare. Divide and conquer, that is the strategy of the evil communist liberals who are wrecking America with ever higher taxes and increasingly bigger government.

3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.

We already have this in America. The inheritance taxes are astronomically high and this is just plain wrongl. Liberals want to destroy the family because strong families do not need socialism or government give away programs. Liberals want to destroy the ability of strong families to perpetuate the influence of their progeny by stealing half of their net worth through the imposition of confiscatory inheritance tax rates.

4) Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels.

We already have this in America. You have heard about "FORFEITURE LAWS." Many branches of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies and regulatory agencies are confiscating property, goods and money without a trial, without due process, etc. This is a perfect tool for the tyrant bureaucrat who wants to make your life hell. If you are not "Politically Correct" liberals will use these laws to harass you and confiscate your property.

5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We already have this in America. It is called the Federal Reserve Bank. This is the single most evil, deadly and damaging of the 10 Planks of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. The counterfeit paper debt based monetary scheme that we now suffer is going to destroy our Republic, our liberty and our economy. The Federal Reserve System is an exclusive monopoly. The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the Federal Government and it does not have any reserves of Gold or Silver coin backing their "Federal Reserve Notes." Federal Reserve Notes are counterfeit Money, fiat money. The Federal Reserve controls our economy through it's monopolistic control of interest rates. We have a 20 Trillion Dollar Debt pyramid in this nation and one day it is all going to come crashing down. When it does crash, the bankers who gave us nothing more than paper money will repossess and confiscate nearly every home, business, farm, vehicle and all property in America that has a mortgage or outstanding balance on it. On that day you should take you gun out and kill as many communist liberals as you can find.

6) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to exercise complete control over the media via the FCC and monopolistic media mogul billionaires. At this time they control 90 to 95% of the media that the masses turn to for information. But the free press has proved more resilient than our enemies planned and the Internet is really upsetting their apple-cart. As for their efforts to centralize transportation, liberals are very anxious to force us all to use state run mass transit trains, subways and car pooling schemes. Thus we can see how the enemies of liberty have very nearly achieved their goal of fully implementing the sixth plank of the communist manifesto.

7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to force central planning on farmers. They have been very successful through the use farm subsidies and regulations at destroying the small independent family owned farm. Today instead of family farms our nations food supply is produced and controlled by huge corporations and this is called "agri-business." This destruction of the family owned farms was not an accident of history, rather it was done by design. American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to force central planning on the manufacturing sector. By imposing millions of regulations on every minute aspect of business, they have either driven the small independent factories out of business or forced them to sell out to one of the large multi-national mega-corporations. Only the large corporations have the capability, the man-power to research and obey all of the millions of federal regulations. This destruction of the family owned factories was not an accident of history, rather it was done by design. Again we can see how the enemies of liberty have very nearly achieved their goal of fully implementing the seventh plank of the communist manifesto.

8) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

This is Social Engineering. This, for example, is telling people where to live and telling farmers and businessmen by dint of government regulations and central planning how to run their business! Yes we have plenty of Social Engineering in America. Yes our nation has been severely damaged by leftists who have been very successful at implementing to a greater or lesser degree all ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, but it is not yet absolute or irreversible.

10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

Yes we have this in America. In my opinion this Plank of the Communist Manifesto ranks second place for the evil it has done to our nation. Our lousy, government run, Public School and Public University system costs three to four times more than it should and yet they do a poor job of educating the children. Now the Federal government is trying to take over public education in America. The Fed's are proposing through their Goals 2000 program, another program that is right out of the communist manifesto. It is called the "Schools to work program." But the worst aspect of government schools is that they are actively promoting and indoctrinating our children in the ideas of Marxism, big government, central planning, government run education, fiat currency or paper money, environmental extremism, forced unionism, and socialism in general.


Here is the total:

1. This goal has been fully implemented.
2.This goal has been fully implemented.
3.This goal is only partially implemented.
4.This goal has been fully implemented.
5.This goal has been fully implemented.
6.This goal is only partially implemented.
7.This goal is only partially implemented.
8.This goal is only partially implemented.
9.This goal is only partially implemented.
10. This goal has been fully implemented.



The foundation of fascism in part came from the progressive movement especially economically. Fascism is about bringing all within the State, nothing without the state. Its statism/collectivism. Also known as the religion of the state which is obvously similar to that of progressivism.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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So things that you disagree with means people are ignoring math, science, and economics?

Facts are not opinions. Math, science, and economics can tell us a lot of truth. Ignore math, science, economics, etc. (aka reality) at your own peril.

The $15 minimum wage hurts poor people the most. Math, economics.
Anthropogenic carbon based global warming is a scam. Science.
ObamaCare costs more while delivering less. Math, economics.

To challenge these assertions, you can only use rhetoric as the quantitative disciplines we humans have established over the millenniums prove you are incorrect.

It is this anti-realty based "religion" that you folks have on the left that is greatly hurting our country and people within it. You folks think you are doing good because you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Go ahead and shun math, science, and economics and forever be a "useful idiot" for destructive government.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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Well I will never understand the Republican version of math, science, and economics, that is for sure because it is clearly created from ignorance.
Maybe that's why they are doing better than you. I know my math skills are serving me well.

During an appearance on Jay Leno Obama admitted that he struggles with math above a 7th grade level. Well, the math stuff I was fine with up until about seventh grade,” Obama said. “But Malia is now a freshman in High School and I’m pretty lost.”
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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Obama is just telling people another lie.

Being subsidized does not help people get ahead. Those people will have to get in line the next day and the next day and the next day. It's never ending. It's up to people who are not happy with what they are getting paid to improve their skills to something that pays better.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Facts are not opinions. Math, science, and economics can tell us a lot of truth. Ignore math, science, economics, etc. (aka reality) at your own peril.

The $15 minimum wage hurts poor people the most. Math, economics.
Anthropogenic carbon based global warming is a scam. Science.
ObamaCare costs more while delivering less. Math, economics.

To challenge these assertions, you can only use rhetoric as the quantitative disciplines we humans have established over the millenniums prove you are incorrect.

It is this anti-realty based "religion" that you folks have on the left that is greatly hurting our country and people within it. You folks think you are doing good because you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Go ahead and shun math, science, and economics and forever be a "useful idiot" for destructive government.
So then you give a bunch of opinions and try to pass them off as facts....yep, that is called Conservative "facts." Keep believing that your opinions are all factual.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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I saw a clip of Obama talking about upward mobility and that it's not possible. I am proof that it is. Unfortunately I am finding out that as you move up the government taketh more and more money away pushing you right back down. If you have dreams of moving up don't buy into Obama's lie.

Obama claims he wants to tax the rich. Obama is not talking about taxing the rich, he is talking about raising taxes on people that are trying to move up. Don't buy into Obama's lie.

Upward mobility is certainly possible, but global economic changes in the past, say, 40 years, have made upward mobility in this country much harder than it was during the postwar boom circa 1950-1970, and Obama isn't making upward mobility any easier.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Maybe that's why they are doing better than you. I know my math skills are serving me well.

During an appearance on Jay Leno Obama admitted that he struggles with math above a 7th grade level. Well, the math stuff I was fine with up until about seventh grade,” Obama said. “But Malia is now a freshman in High School and I’m pretty lost.”
Who are "they" and how do you know "they" are doing better than me or how I am doing in general. For all you know, I am doing much better than you.
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