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So Estonia is unsafe, throw out Estonia and what do you have? Just heard that Iceland had their first police shooting in their entire history, death by guns rose 2000%.
When you're talking about GUN violence it is perfectly correct to "blatantly ignore" murder and other crime stats that have nothing to do with guns.
That is not true. Gun control advocates want to say that we'd have a safer country if we banned guns or banned certain types of guns. As the OP demonstrated, there are countries with very stringent gun laws and as a result, have lower gun crime than the US. However, and again as the OP demonstrated, a lot of these countries, while they have fewer gun deaths than us, are actually just as dangerous and in some cases even more dangerous than the US.... So in other words, people didn't stop committing violent crimes now that they don't have a gun to commit them with, they just use something else.
ergo, stringent gun laws didn't make those countries any safer at all
To only look specifically at "gun deaths" is to only look at half the problem. What is the sense in putting more restrictions on guns if it doesn't bring the over all crime rate down?
That is not true. Gun control advocates want to say that we'd have a safer country if we banned guns or banned certain types of guns. As the OP demonstrated, there are countries with very stringent gun laws and as a result, have lower gun crime than the US. However, and again as the OP demonstrated, a lot of these countries, while they have fewer gun deaths than us, are actually just as dangerous and in some cases even more dangerous than the US.... So in other words, people didn't stop committing violent crimes now that they don't have a gun to commit them with, they just use something else.
ergo, stringent gun laws didn't make those countries any safer at all
To only look specifically at "gun deaths" is to only look at half the problem. What is the sense in putting more restrictions on guns if it doesn't bring the over all crime rate down?
So Estonia is unsafe, throw out Estonia and what do you have? Just heard that Iceland had their first police shooting in their entire history, death by guns rose 2000%.
I mentioned Estonia specifically because the Washington Post propagandist listed them specifically. They listed them as having far fewer murders by guns -- which is true. What they're not saying is that Estonia has a higher overall murder rate than the USA. Hence, taking all the guns away =/= less murders.
But okay, where else is it more dangerous than the USA you ask? You know, you could have just clicked on the link and saved yourself from looking foolish. But since you asked, here is the list of nations with a higher murder rate than the USA with the anual murders per 100,000 people:
Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Ivory Coast 56.9
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
Jamaica 40.9
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
South Africa 31.8
Colombia 31.4
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Ethiopia 25.5
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Mexico 23.7
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Brazil 21.8
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Ecuador 18.2
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Nicaragua 12.6
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.3
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Argentina 5.5
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
And finally, after those 103 nations, we have the United States at 4.7 ... So yeah, actually you have a ton of places that are vastly more dangerous than the USA.
Estonia isnt all that unsafe either (despite my next sentence I am being serious about this-it was very safe). Heck I met a russian mobster there, he was a really nice guy actually. I wouldn't cross him mind you......But Sergie was a friendly guy.
Great we've got less gun violence than nations ravaged by wars and poverty. How many of those countries would you be willing to live in or would consider developed nations? Sure its not a problem that we rank the worst in gun violence among first world nations. Go USA!
Great we've got less gun violence than nations ravaged by wars and poverty. How many of those countries would you be willing to live in or would consider developed nations? Sure its not a problem that we rank the worst in gun violence among first world nations. Go USA!
The list by the Washington Post included Chile. Chile just happens to be pretty poor ($16,273 per capita income) and it's government is not the most stable. So what qualifiers did the Washington Post use?
But okay, fine. Let's take out all of the nations rife with civil war and poverty, bla, bla bla. Let's only keep nations that are developed and relatively prosperous. That still leaves you with:
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
South Africa 31.8
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Bermuda 12.3
Barbados 11.3
Russia 10.2
Kazakhstan 8.8
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Moldova 7.5
Guadeloupe 7.0
Lithuania 6.6
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Yes, the USA has a higher murder rate than distant regions like Western Europe and Southeast Asia. Well, the United States isn't in those regions. We are a Western Hemisphere nation with Western Hemisphere problems. We also have the rather significant problem of truth in statistics. Many nations will report less murders than what actually occurs. Can't happen in the USA because of this very subject of debate. There are people waving the USA's murder stats around promoting their own ideological agenda. We also have a pretty massive amount of gangs fueled by dealing illegal drugs pushing our numbers higher and higher. Want the murder rate in the USA to go down? Cancel our idiot war on drugs and things will start getting better.
And let's at least be honest: The gun-control folks want everyone to believe that the USA is the most dangerous place on earth. They're screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" They tell us that the only reason the USA is "the murder capital of the world (which isn't even remotely true), is all because Americans have guns.
The actual numbers tell a completely different story. Relative to the rest of the world, the USA is a pretty safe place to be.
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