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Old 12-05-2013, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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True, "the House has made efforts" but holding hearings does not hold anyone accountable.

Hearings are only the first step. Hearings will either exonerate or confirm activity that is not permitted. If confirmation of activity that is not permitted is confirmed, then the House has an obligation to impeach (Congress has the power to impeach any cabinet position if the President refuses to accept their resignation) whomever is involved and pass it on to the Senate for a conviction and removal from office. If the activity that is not permitted proves to also be criminal, then upon removal from office they should also be tried by the courts.

That is accountability. Something we are falling well short of today.
Ultimate accountability lies with the voters, and perhaps the Democratic party. Remember it was Goldwater and senate Republicans who decided that it was time to hold Nixon accountable. For House republicans to launch impeachment efforts over IRS, Fast & Furious, etc. would be to hand a PR weapon to the WH. It is not useful to ask the house republicans to cut off their nose to spite their face.

If Dems want to fall in behind a corrupt WH there is little R's can really do beyond trying to expose, hope the voters are watching, and will remember in 2014.

There's a good piece by Andrew McCarthy of NRO about why he opposed a special counsel for the IRS-tea party scandal.
No Special Counsel for the IRS Scandal | National Review Online

Ultimate accountability comes either within the Dem caucus or at election time. Prosecution along partisan lines is a fool's errand.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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He is correct. Obama has usurped power and ignores the constitution. It's unfortunate that the other two branches of government have no backbone.
You're right, but you're wrong to think that this is an "Obama" problem. Presidents have been usurping undue powers for decades now. Bush was one of the worst culprits.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:26 PM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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The plutocracy is pushing more and more. Whereas, in the past, they were willing to operate with the limitations provided in the Constitution, they are now unwilling to do so. This isn't a question of republican vs democrat or a "who was worse: Bush or Obama" - it is the question of whether the American people will continue to allow an increasingly obvious plutocracy to run roughshod over us. The more people vote Democrat or Republican - the more power you give them.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Not sure how a sting operation is a scandal.


Sorry you're so gullible. Now please apologize for spreading misinformation and for the manufactured scandals created by the right wing.

bwhahahaha.

Fast and Furious was not a sting. If it had been, they would have devised some means to at least try to track the guns, as was done with the previous op 'Wide Receiver.'

Suppose the DEA finds some drug dealers and decides to dump a thousand kilos of coke into their hands, then traipse back to their offices. Then when reports of OD death's start coming back, they are giddy. No tracking, no effort to follow up, just a dump. Would that be a "sting?" No.

If you want to see why it's a scandal, read up on what the Mex. Atty Gen. had to say about it. Or the family of the dead Border Patrol Agent.

Sorry you're either in deep moonbat denial or disingenuousness (I won't try to figure out which). And sorry no apology from me, despite use of bold face, or even if you had used caps-lock.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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The plutocracy is pushing more and more. Whereas, in the past, they were willing to operate with the limitations provided in the Constitution, they are now unwilling to do so. This isn't a question of republican vs democrat or a "who was worse: Bush or Obama" - it is the question of whether the American people will continue to allow an increasingly obvious plutocracy to run roughshod over us. The more people vote Democrat or Republican - the more power you give them.

True. Unfortunately too many people are drinking the kool aide and play the "lesser of two evils" game. Yeah, and how is that working out?
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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I am curious as to the level of Town Hall Meetings with congresspersons will take place over the holidays.

I wonder if there is a robust town hall meeting schedule, how many here on this board will brave threats of IRS audits, being beat up after the meeting in the parking lot by SEIU plants, tires slashed/car vandalized in the parking lot by AFSCME members with the police instantly too busy checking out the stray cat across the street and your house being accidentally raided and severly damaged and/or siezed because someone at the FBI was sure those sunflowers in your front yard looked like pot. Who will brave these daily threats to ask the hard questions of our elected representatives on what they are doing to keep our society free.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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All these vague claims that the President is breaking the law. There's a rash of threads started by the usual on this exact subject. why today? Why are these threads suddenly appearing? Did the right just now realize that the president is breaking all the laws and trampling on the constitution?

Not at all. The Tea Party Republicans have been given their marching orders and their single overriding communication objective by their handlers. now it's their job to spread the word. Disseminate the message of fear, paranoia and demonization.
The message for today is.........."Obama is breaking the laws and trampling the constitution"
I'll hold my breath while the house institutes impeachment procedures. Should be any minute now.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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All these vague claims that the President is breaking the law. There's a rash of threads started by the usual on this exact subject. why today? Why are these threads suddenly appearing? Did the right just now realize that the president is breaking all the laws and trampling on the constitution?

Not at all. The Tea Party Republicans have been given their marching orders and their single overriding communication objective by their handlers. now it's their job to spread the word. Disseminate the message of fear, paranoia and demonization.
The message for today is.........."Obama is breaking the laws and trampling the constitution"
I'll hold my breath while the house institutes impeachment procedures. Should be any minute now.
Jonathan Turley is a liberal law professor. He's neither Tea Party nor right.
How Nixon Won Watergate | JONATHAN TURLEY
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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Jonathan Turley is a liberal law professor. He's neither Tea Party nor right.
How Nixon Won Watergate | JONATHAN TURLEY
I'd like to rep all your posts but I'll settle on this one!
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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The only people left that still support this boy king are idiots and fools. No sane, educated, rational person would continue to boost this train wreck of an administration and yet c-d seems to have plenty of them.
Something tells me that not many reps are going to be forthcoming here!

(You get mine though)
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