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Old 12-05-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Personally I do think that not just presidents but in fact states are allowed to ignore the laws.That hearing didn't just discusss Obama but modern presidents in general not enforcing the law. It was a discussion of the powers of congress and the president .I think we have a big problem where by not just presidents but state and local governments just decide they will not enforce the laws .Rule of law is important.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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Depending on the survey and how the question is asked, between 35 and 51% of the GOP believes Obama was born in Kenya. Why do racists go nutty when they`re accused of being racists?
Why is the accusation solely a matter of attempting silence debate?
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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What is Congress' remedy for punishing Obama for not obeying the law?
As long as Reid is in control of the senate, and the American people are not in revolt, the congress will not do anything at all.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The US constitution, the president "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. The president swore and oath to uphold our laws and he is using his powers as president, thru his administrative agencies to refuse to enforce or defend those laws which conflict with his political policy and/or agenda.
Ok..let's take the stealth Dream Act that Obama executed via EO because Congress would not pass a bill.

Our laws say that illegals are deported when caught.
Obama didn't break that law.
The illegals will be deported..in 2 years.
And for those 2 years they can get work permits and stay here and live openly among us.

And it was explained that Obama broke no law and just interpreted the "process" of the law to give them the 2 years.

He didn't grant them amnesty did he ? That would be breaking the law.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate here.
I don't think what he's doing is ethical at all.
He's using the law, especially the undefined and gray areas, to enact his agenda.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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As long as Reid is in control of the senate, and the American people are not in revolt, the congress will not do anything at all.
And Pelosi rules the Dems in the House.

Reid and Pelosi will make sure nothing happens.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:16 AM
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Which laws did he "break" ?
Listen to the tape. Several broken laws were mentioned. The worst is the "Dream Act." Congress refused to allow it and Obama thought it was his right to ignore that. He is spending tax dollars to aide people invading America illegally. That is treason according to our constitution. Go read it for yourself. Aiding someone causing harm to our country is treason. We are borrowing money at record levels. Using that money to aide intruders causes harm to our financial future.

It was reported on TV that American Tax dollars were paid in the Benghazi situation to blame the attack on a film when they knew better. More harm done to our country using tax dollars. Time to cut up the credit cards for this administration. Tell him to spend his own money to forward HIS communist agenda.

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Old 12-05-2013, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Gowdy: Can the President fail to enforce categories of law? - YouTube

If the president can order his people to refuse to follow the law, as it concerns Obamacare, immigration, drug laws... Can he not also simply ignore election law? If the president is free to ignore the law... then why have laws?
Contact your senators and congressman. Demand they begin impeachment proceedings immediately.

Keep us posted.

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Old 12-05-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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I don't agree with what he is doing. But it's all "legal".
Congress has not slapped his hand and said "No, you can't do that"
The Supreme court even helped with the Obamacare penalty-tax-penalty-tax so it could be upheld.

"virtuous" died with JFK.
It's a US Constitutional requirement that the president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed” If we have a deceptive and manipulative president, then he can ignore, delay, and refuse to commit resources to enforce any law that disagrees with his politics, and we no longer have a system of justice, but has he broken the law, or just broken with the faith and trust of the people?

We have no other choice, but to place our trust and faith in our elected politicians. All we can do is hope they will look out for our welfare, protect our rights and freedoms, and to execute their offices by remaining faithful to their oaths of office.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Listen to the tape. Several broken laws were mentioned. The worst is the "Dream Act." Congress refused to allow it and Obama thought it was his right to ignore that. He is spending tax dollars to aide people invading America illegally. That is treason according to our constitution. Go read it for yourself. Aiding someone causing harm to our country is treason. We are borrowing money at record levels. Using that money to aide intruders causes harm to our financial future.
Obama broke no law with his EO Dream Act.
He said they will be deported in 2 years.

Where in our laws does it say deportation must occur upon capture ?
Obama used the law to HIS advantage.

"Sly as a fox" comes to mind here.

Pretty wide brush there to paint the illegals as committing treason.
That one wouldn't hold water in court.

Here's an objective article on this.
Obama didn't suspend deportations.
Obama didn't grant deferral to all illegals.
Obama didn't give any of them amnesty.
Doing any of the above is breaking the law.

He granted a 2 year deferral to a select group.
The US still continues to catch and deport but there's not an overt effort about it.

Can Obama legalize 11 million immigrants on his own?
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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Contact your senators and congressman. Demand they begin impeachment proceedings immediately.

Keep us posted.


absolute power corrupts absolutely
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