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Old 12-06-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Originally Posted by Jerseyt719 View Post
Oh yes I do. I more than pay my share and give to charity as well.

Look, every job has a salary associated with it, sometimes as in fast food workers, within an industry it will fluctuate.

A restaurant chef makes more than a fast food cook, a private auto mechanic makes more than the oil change workers. An accountant makes more than a bookkeeper.

It all depends on how much work and time the worker puts in to qualify their own self for better paying positions.
Yes and the minimum wage should also be the minimum needed to survive.

 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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We should bring back slavery and then no corporation would have to pay a penny in salaries. Sound good to you? I've been subsidizing their workers with Medicaid and Food Stamps with my tax dollars. I guess that you don't pay taxes, which is why it does not affect you.
End all medicaid and food stamps. You don't work you don't eat.

Abolish the IRS and the current income tax code. Implement 9-9-9 via Constitutional amendment with those 9% rates set in stone. Pare the federal government down the a level consistent with the enumerated powers of the Constitution. Gut the bureaucracies. And that is just for starters.

How did the pioneers that settled the west ever make it without their check from the gubmint?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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End all medicaid and food stamps. You don't work you don't eat.

Abolish the IRS and the current income tax code. Implement 9-9-9 via Constitutional amendment with those 9% rates set in stone. Pare the federal government down the a level consistent with the enumerated powers of the Constitution. Gut the bureaucracies. And that is just for starters.

How did the pioneers that settled the west ever make it without their check from the gubmint?
Most people on food stamps work... But they aren't paid enough by the generous captains of industry to buy their own food. The free market has determined that they don't deserve food, and government has stepped in to feed them.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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End all medicaid and food stamps. You don't work you don't eat.

Abolish the IRS and the current income tax code. Implement 9-9-9 via Constitutional amendment with those 9% rates set in stone. Pare the federal government down the a level consistent with the enumerated powers of the Constitution. Gut the bureaucracies. And that is just for starters.

How did the pioneers that settled the west ever make it without their check from the gubmint?
You mean the people who got Indian land for free from the government?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Most people on food stamps work... But they aren't paid enough by the generous captains of industry to buy their own food. The free market has determined that they don't deserve food, and government has stepped in to feed them.
Can the economy support $30/hour so they can get off snap, medicaid and free school lunches ?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It's people like you that are in support of not giving a working poor person a fighting chance to improve their lives .
Nothing in my post suggested or even hinted at that. You're inferring what you want me to have said, not what I actually did say.

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Makes so much sense to not allow portions of the population a chance to further educate themselves to increase chances of obtaining a better paying job or start their own business.
Again, I neither said nor implied that. Where do you get this stuff? Wait - don't answer. I don't want to be disgusted, since I know exactly where you're pulling it from...

Education is free, for those willing to work for it. One can spend every moment of their free time at a library, soaking it up. What's the line from Good Will Hunting? Something about a Harvard education being available at the public library for a few dollars in late fees? It may have come from a movie, but it's 100% true.

I was flat broke when I started my current business. Over 3-4 months, I scraped together about $1,000 to start it, mostly by driving to a neighboring state to work for a friend on weekends. That money was spent primarily on business licenses, furniture and desk phones. I built a PBX from an old, unused PC (Pentium 233MHz w/256mb of RAM) and free software. Built a website using free software on a server located in a friend's garage.

So when you spout off about people not being able to start their own business because they only make minimum wage, I have to laugh. I went from zero steady income and eating boiled pinto beans for dinner to making a six figure income and having a side of beef in the freezer in only five years. Can everybody do that? Probably not. But I did, and I don't have the benefit of a college degree or even a high school diploma.

It's about attitude and drive. If you have the "poor me, I only make X" attitude, then you're probably going to stay right there for the rest of your life. You MUST have an attitude for success and the drive to realize your dreams if you ever plan on being successful. It doesn't just happen, and you can't legislate it. It has to come from within.

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Typical right wing corporate worship with no regard for the average folks.
I AM "average folks."
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Can the economy support $30/hour so they can get off snap, medicaid and free school lunches ?
I don't think the amount required to get them off all government assistance is that high. But whatever the amount is, WE are paying the cost now, through government redistribution which conservatives claim to hate.

Well either mandate a living wage, or accept that government has to subsidize low wages so that people working full time for low pay can live.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by winkosmosis View Post
Yes and the minimum wage should also be the minimum needed to survive.
Why work at all? Just get the gubmint to give you 33k a year. There is just as good a chance of that as giving 33k to the workers with so little skill.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Nothing in my post suggested or even hinted at that. You're inferring what you want me to have said, not what I actually did say.


Again, I neither said nor implied that. Where do you get this stuff? Wait - don't answer. I don't want to be disgusted, since I know exactly where you're pulling it from...

Education is free, for those willing to work for it. One can spend every moment of their free time at a library, soaking it up. What's the line from Good Will Hunting? Something about a Harvard education being available at the public library for a few dollars in late fees? It may have come from a movie, but it's 100% true.

I was flat broke when I started my current business. Over 3-4 months, I scraped together about $1,000 to start it, mostly by driving to a neighboring state to work for a friend on weekends. That money was spent primarily on business licenses, furniture and desk phones. I built a PBX from an old, unused PC (Pentium 233MHz w/256mb of RAM) and free software. Built a website using free software on a server located in a friend's garage.

So when you spout off about people not being able to start their own business because they only make minimum wage, I have to laugh. I went from zero steady income and eating boiled pinto beans for dinner to making a six figure income and having a side of beef in the freezer in only five years. Can everybody do that? Probably not. But I did, and I don't have the benefit of a college degree or even a high school diploma.

It's about attitude and drive. If you have the "poor me, I only make X" attitude, then you're probably going to stay right there for the rest of your life. You MUST have an attitude for success and the drive to realize your dreams if you ever plan on being successful. It doesn't just happen, and you can't legislate it. It has to come from within.


I AM "average folks."

Extremely accurate post sir!
 
Old 12-06-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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You mean the people who got Indian land for free from the government?
I reject the premise that anything was "indian land".

That was wooly mammoth land that the mongoloid native americans stole from the mammoths after they illegally crossed the Bering ice bridge about 10,000 years ago.

Why are you so racist against wooly mammoths?
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