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Old 12-06-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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I agree that people should not demean people who make minimum wage but by the same token I believe no one should demean anyone. I hear Obama and his supporters demeaning people who are successful all the time and you don't expect them to strike back?

Welcome to Obama's divisive politics.
Of course we expect an attack back. But its wrong if you think we are demeaning their success. Way to frame that one!

 
Old 12-06-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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Of course we expect an attack back. But its wrong if you think we are demeaning their success. Way to frame that one!
You didn't build that, tax the rich, and on you go. Yep, you dished but cry when it's dished back. Enjoy the consequences of your divisive politicking.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A living wage doesn't mean the amount for one person to support a family of 4...
What does it mean then ?
Isn't the point to have the employer pay enough so that they are not on welfare programs ?

You can't cherry pick who gets a bigger starting wage over another.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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You didn't build that, tax the rich, and on you go. Yep, you dished but cry when it's dished back. Enjoy the consequences of your divisive politicking.
No one is crying. We don't have billionaire industrialists astro-turfing movements like freedom works and funding think tanks and radio hosts. This has been class warfare from that start.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It is easy to demean people who make minimum wage, but these are not deadbeats. It might not be intellectually challenging, but standing on your feet hour after hour, day after day, week after week in noise and organized chaos is not easy.
You write as if those of us who are being demonized for not caring (or whatever insults/rationalizations you want to throw at us) have never held these jobs.

We all start at the same place - the bottom.

At 15, I lied about my age to get my first job, which was at a donut shop. I worked a bunch of other minimum wage jobs until I was 17, when I moved out and got my first full time gig. In my early 20s, while managing a retail store in my hometown, I took a second job as an associate at a record store - for minimum wage - because I wanted the extra money (the employee discount was nice, too ). I didn't *need" that second job, but I saw no reason not to earn more in my spare time.

So we all know what it's like to work "on your feet hour after hour, day after day, week after week in noise and organized chaos." We were there. We worked through it while understanding what it was - a stepping stone. A minimum wage job is NOT a career.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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A living wage doesn't mean the amount for one person to support a family of 4...
Yeah, actually, that's exactly what the most vocal contingent of those on your side of this debate are demanding. According to them (and it's even been stated recently in this thread), a single minimum wage job should be able to support a family.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Of course we expect an attack back. But its wrong if you think we are demeaning their success. Way to frame that one!
"I do think at a certain point you've made enough money."


Obama: You've Made Enough Money - YouTube
 
Old 12-06-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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Watch, this be the new carrot Obama hangs out in front of voters next election in mid-term. But hey, if prices go up for burger flippers than they go up for government people. We tax payers are so nice, gosh I hope they like us but we usually get scammed.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Cypress, TX
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Good lord, you guys have a remarkable skill for not understanding a basic concept. If that were a marketable skill then you guys would be rolling in it.

I've already covered this ground. Wages = stagnant, purchasing power = low, productivity = high, profits going to the top = high. The main fight is within the workplace, what's being produced, what's being collected as profits and what's a fair even distribution, especially when considering the COL. You can have all the opinions you want about how fast food work is easy it doesn't change the basics of what this is all about.

Exit stage right.
I'm still trying to understand what you are proposing. Are you suggesting the govt set different minimum wages for each and every position in this country based on the profitability of their respective industry? Please tell us your solution for this problem.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Watch, this be the new carrot Obama hangs out in front of voters next election in mid-term.
His official position is that he wants to raise the federal minimum wage to $9. I don't doubt that Democrats around the country will use that to try and keep their jobs. They're going to use everything they can, because they know that their forcing of Obamacare onto the nation has put them in a very precarious political position. Their jobs are at stake, so there's no doubt that they're going to buy as many votes as they can, however they can.

Don't be a bystander in that - work the opposing campaigns. Force them to work their ass of for every single vote.
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