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Old 12-06-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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This warfare that you're engaged in is simply going to destroy the cheep fast food industry, that's all. If that is your goal, have at it.
Yeah McDonald's didn't survive in other industrialized countries.

 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So what? What is your point? You think only the people making bare minimum would see an increase?
That's what proponents of raising the min wage to $15 say.
No "trickle up". I can't see that happening but they can.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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Yeah McDonald's didn't survive in other industrialized countries.
McDonald's is not the cheapest. What about mom and pop's burger joints? Do you think they'll survive?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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McDonald's is not the cheapest. What about mom and pop's burger joints? Do you think they'll survive?
I don't know but if you can't afford the labor you shouldn't be in business. That's my personal opinion but that's besides the point. You guys like the uphold the small businesses as this moral standard to better your arguments. Some of them got into business because labor is cheap others didn't. Either way more people will have more money to stimulate the economy. Businesses will grow not contract, even small ones.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Katy, TX
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Between Obamacare and raising the min. wage, there will be no such thing as mom and pop stores.

Left, right, whatever side you're on, raising the minimum wage is a handout not a hand up. Money managing or lack of is where these workers go wrong. Give them $30 an hour and they'll still be poor.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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Between Obamacare and raising the min. wage, there will be no such thing as mom and pop stores.

Left, right, whatever side you're on, raising the minimum wage is a handout not a hand up. Money managing or lack of is where these workers go wrong. Give them $30 an hour and they'll still be poor.
Poverty is not an attitude problem Kiovo. My lord, are you nuts? Its structural. It won't be solved with a little elbow grease. This cutesy little platitude has to just end now.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:24 PM
 
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Either way more people will have more money to stimulate the economy. Businesses will grow not contract, even small ones.
No... they won't.

You are clueless about the effects of rising costs on small business.

Take a basic economics class.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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I don't know but if you can't afford the labor you shouldn't be in business. That's my personal opinion but that's besides the point. You guys like the uphold the small businesses as this moral standard to better your arguments. Some of them got into business because labor is cheap others didn't. Either way more people will have more money to stimulate the economy. Businesses will grow not contract, even small ones.
Employment goes down as minimum wage increases. Krueger's studies were expanded and largely debunked.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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I don't know but if you can't afford the labor you shouldn't be in business. That's my personal opinion but that's besides the point. You guys like the uphold the small businesses as this moral standard to better your arguments. Some of them got into business because labor is cheap others didn't. Either way more people will have more money to stimulate the economy. Businesses will grow not contract, even small ones.
It's just a business model. They hire young people and kids to do simple tasks and pay them accordingly.
If they don't like the compensation they can leave or demand a raise based on their personal merits (not minimum wage).
 
Old 12-06-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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Do you guys make less than 15 an hour? Is that why many of you would be butt hurt if the workers had their way? I mean what is it? ?
This is pretty much it (although internet bravery won't allow them to admit it). Instead of taking their own advice and "pulling themselves up by their boot straps" and learning marketable skills for a better career/job, they'd rather ***** about others' attempts to determine their own worth. No surprise there. Don't get mad....just better yourselves. I've never been in the habit of counting other folks' money because I don't want them counting mine. If you have a comfortable career that provides for you and your family, then you really shouldn't be bothered by this.
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