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Old 12-06-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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Yeah I posted that like ten pages ago and these guys still think its unrealistic.
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It boggles the mind how Norway's businesses can afford to pay their workers so much, have regulatory burden, punitive taxes, a full-fledged welfare state, basically everything the average American RWNJ hates. Yet, maintain an unemployment rate of 3% (and no, it's not only about oil. That mostly affects Bergen and Stavanger, not the rest of the country that doesn't have oil exploration). You can pretty much pick a country in Europe that flies in the face of RW conventional "wisdom"
Yep. How dare Americans expect an American corporation to be just as generous at home as they are abroad.

LMAO...you can't make this stuff up.

When I lived in Germany, workers at McDonald's got 5 weeks paid vacation, maternity leave paid, paid sick days, etc....and they were a CASH COW over there and still are.

But giving Americans even a penny raise will bankrupt the corporations and make hamburgers go up another 5 bucks if you let conservatives tell it.

 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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Hmmm...McDonald's can pay these wages everywhere else it seems and still make a fortune. Go figure. But as usual, we should look down on our fellow Americans for wanting what Australians have.

Where McDonald's wages start near $15 an hour- MSN Money
What's the price of a Big Mac there?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Hmmm...McDonald's can pay these wages everywhere else it seems and still make a fortune. Go figure. But as usual, we should look down on our fellow Americans for wanting what Australians have.

Where McDonald's wages start near $15 an hour- MSN Money
Not for everyone.
The COL in Australia is 114% on a scale of 100.


From your own link..age tiered wages and automation replacement is how they can afford it along with slightly higher product prices:

So how does McDonald's survive in such high-wage environments? Much like in the U.S., it plays the game. In Australia, minimum wage for 16-year-old workers is only $8, which gives McDonald's incentive to higher younger workers. It also squeezes more productivity out of workers and does away with little redundancies like cashiers, who are replaced in certain instances by touchscreens.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:38 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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You think someone preparing food deserves 15/hr? More than double the minimum wage right now? Why? Someone completely green can walk in and do their job within 30 minutes. Which is why they are paid low wages. Just because you can't keep your legs closed doesn't mean you deserve a liveable wage for a family. YOU'RE PREPARING FOOD that someone with 1/2 a brain could do.


If you don't like the pay then find other work. Most owners of these franchises don't live like kings. I knew someone that owned a Sonic, just one and lived in a 1 bedroom apartment. If you're in your late 20s to late 50s the problem isn't the pay but you for not having the drive to better your situation.
The if you do not like your job just find an another one is hilarious. It comes from people who are out of touch with reality. For some reason they think there are just tons of better jobs out there for people to go to but these people are choosing to stay in their min wage jobs. It has the same problem with the whole get more skills mantra there are only x amount of higher paying jobs for people not everyone can do these jobs we need people to work fast food or retail. Just more stupidly from the right wing nut jobs.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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Social Democracy is the economic model of nations like Sweden and Denmark.
Sounds communist to me.

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Isn't that more tangible than what you're advocating; anarcho-capitalism?
Yes it is tangible. So are owl turds. What is your point? Celtic Ireland was an-cap and they got along just fine for 1,000 years. That's longer than any communist, or european socialist "communism light" country has operated.

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Like Murray Rothbard? Didn't he praise Che Guevara?
I didn't say I worship the man. I subscribe to his economic principles only. His staunch non-interventionism, anti-war, and non-imperialist positions were what drove him to lament the death of Che Guevara. "We all make mistakes". And Rothbard made the mistake of allying with the New Left after Buckley's New Right pissed him off with their aggressive cold war positions and interventionism. He eventually wised up and broke the alliance, but remained an Austrian anti-statist throughout his career and that is what I subscribe to.

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And I admitted Joan Robinson was wrong as was Hayek when praising the wonderful things happening in pinochets chile.
Nothing of any redeeming value whatsoever ever came out of Maoist China. Not a damned thing. Not the murders and SAS not the economic and governmental system. At least von Hayek was right about his economic prescriptions.

I declare Joan Robinson to be reduced to a laughing stock.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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They will usually chalk it up to a homogenous population or some BS about having no illegals. It's really ridiculous when its all about how a nation allocates its resources not how many ppl love there or how homogenous the pop. is.

But yes you're right. Spot on! Nuff said
Norway is about the size of New Mexico. You and about 4.7 million like-minded people go move to New Mexico, take over the state government, implement all your unicorn-dust socialist collectivist worker's paradise fantasies, prove the model, and then make your case to the rest of the sovereign U.S. states that your way works.

We here in Texas will keep embracing free-market principles and see if our way is better.

Why don't we try that instead of seeking to use the bludgeoning fist of the central government to mandate to all states what their wages should be?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The if you do not like your job just find an another one is hilarious. It comes from people who are out of touch with reality. For some reason they think there are just tons of better jobs out there for people to go to but these people are choosing to stay in their min wage jobs. It has the same problem with the whole get more skills mantra there are only x amount of higher paying jobs for people not everyone can do these jobs we need people to work fast food or retail. Just more stupidly from the right wing nut jobs.
UE is only 7%, not 20%.
The report just came out today.
5-6% is considered full employment.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:57 PM
 
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Sweden and Norway are communist now?
 
Old 12-06-2013, 09:05 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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UE is only 7%, not 20%.
The report just came out today.
5-6% is considered full employment.
Unemployment rate only counts people looking for jobs it does not consider people who have given up looking for jobs so it probably is higher then that. I was not even talking about unemployment anyway I was talking about people who have low paying jobs finding better paying jobs.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 09:07 PM
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Location: New Jersey
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I'm not going to criticize people from coming together and demanding something better for themselves. Is 15/hr at lot for their job? Yes, but they are probably starting at a high point and trying to negotiate down. We need people to work jobs like this, and they are often under-appreciated. I don't mind paying them a little more, even if means the CEO Burger King makes 99 million instead of 100 million that year.
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