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Old 12-06-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: WA
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003 View Post
He is a slow learner. Tell him about these 31,000 scientists

Global Warming Petition Project
31,000 engineers want us to build a time machine and travel 16 years back in time to prevent the United States from signing the Kyoto Protocol. Makes total sense.

I'm guessing they never got the memo that the US never signed it?

 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Wrong again....Scientists must squeeze in the work along other obligations. The scientists are not paid for their work on the IPCC.
Anyone working off the clock is an idealist and NOT objective.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:22 PM
 
Location: WA
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nice try, but the real reason dupont stopped production and use of CFC12, R12 for the uneducated, is not because of the montreal protocols, which dont affect us anyway because we didnt ratify them, but rather because at the time dupont was the ONLY producer of CFC12 in the US because they owned the patents, and they were running out. so they developed R134a, and lobbied the government to make the production of R12 in this country illegal. the motive in this case was money plain and simple.
The US ratified the Montreal protocol:
Status of Ratification for the Montreal Protocol and the Vienna Convention

International cooperation works sometimes!
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: WA
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When is the last time you drove a car?
Why? Does your car run on coal? That's peculiar.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by seattlenextyear View Post
The US ratified the Montreal protocol:
Status of Ratification for the Montreal Protocol and the Vienna Convention

International cooperation works sometimes!
For the stratosphere; nothing to do with AGW.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:30 PM
 
Location: WA
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
This is the "pollution" climate legislation will reduce:



Seeing is Believing - YouTube
Increased plant growth can not possibly make up for the acres of rainforest burned daily. So, overall, there will be less plant life on the planet, mostly because of deforestation and desertification.


If you give plants nitrogen, phosphorus, water, and protection from predators in a greenhouse, increased CO2 concentrations will cause one to grow slightly faster. Except any botanist knows that plant growth is NOT limited by CO2: It's limited by water, access to sunlight, nitrogen, phosphorus, or other soil nutrients.

Botany is more fun to talk about than atmospheric science though. So I'm all for discussing plant growth some more.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: WA
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For the stratosphere; nothing to do with AGW.
I know. Someone brought up ozone layer depletion before, which is why we got sidetracked onto that topic.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I agree with your first sentence.

But warming has "paused". And that's from the alarmists.
The climate never comes to a "pause." That is just silly.

Climate is cyclic. What goes up also comes down, and visa versa. The NASA graph that depicts an overall increase of 0.51C since 1880 is not a straight line. That graph clearly shows a series of increases and declines in global temperatures over a period of years, resulting in a net increase of 0.51C.

If one looks closer at NASA's data one can identify cyclic warming and cooling trends spanning anywhere from 30 to 35 years. Using NASA's data global temperatures dropped between 1880 and 1915. From 1915 to 1945 global temperatures increased. From 1945 to 1980 global temperatures declined again. From 1980 to 2010 global temperatures increased again.

Over that 130 year period, global temperatures increased by a grand total of 0.80C and the global temperature decreased during the same period by a grand total of 0.29C. Leaving a net increase in global temperatures of 0.51C.

If this 30 to 35 year cyclic trend in NASA's data continues as it has for the last 130 years, then we can expect another global cooling trend until either 2040 or 2045. Extrapolating from NASA's data, during this up-coming cooling cycle global temperatures should drop by a net ~0.10C.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by seattlenextyear View Post
31,000 engineers want us to build a time machine and travel 16 years back in time to prevent the United States from signing the Kyoto Protocol. Makes total sense.

I'm guessing they never got the memo that the US never signed it?
No, it didn't make any sense at all. It was a poor treaty. It exempted some of the most polluting countries, like China and the U.S. would have had to pay a large portion of the cost.
 
Old 12-06-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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The IPCC report sounds more accurate to me because it is backed by science. What backs your silly Forbes opinion poll up? That they polled engineers? Awesome. I'm an engineer and I think denialists are clowns.
you didnt have to answer, i told you i already knew what your answer would be.
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