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Old 12-10-2013, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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USA

Cool website. They have all kinds of data:

For First Time in 20 Years, Cold Records May Beat Warm | Climate Central

 
Old 12-10-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yup, we are just out of a cold snap here...Coldest it's been for about three years, but we are talking about climate change in this thread, not seasonal weather.

It’s a stark reminder of the vagaries of short-term natural variability set against the backdrop of long-term global warming.

Even with the cold snap in the U.S., the world has continued to see above-average temperatures overall, with 2013 expected to wind up among the top 10 warmest on record. The last month to have global average surface temperatures below the 20th century average occurred in February of 1985.
 
Old 12-10-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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I think you know very well that the 97% is about consensus among scientists who are actively working on climate change that it is human caused, since you frequent any and all climate change threads....
Firstly I'm trying to get Chad to establish for himself how many scientists make up the 97% based on the references of those pages. I already know the answer.... Only the Doran study actually polled scientists and it's the one most commonly cited to support this figure.

Secondly the question that was asked is:

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Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
This is cleverly worded question to get a desired response, if man has been able to alter the climate at all that can be deemed significant.
 
Old 12-10-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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More generalizations. First of all I don't believe that to be the case and me personally I'm non religious, fiscally conservative and moderate on the moral issues...
Dude, something like 50% of evangelicals deny anthropogenic climate change, which is by far higher than any other sect. So the primary deniers are them and the oil, gas, and coal industries.
 
Old 12-10-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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Global warming my foot. I've been freezing for over a week now.
 
Old 12-10-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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tldr
Really? Too long to read?



Anyway from the words of a doomsday scientists and Mother Gaia guru James Lovelock... He has toned down his apocalyptic forecast recently.


Here is what he says:

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Climate's 'usual tricks' It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected. “The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said. “The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said. “The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

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He said human-caused carbon dioxide emissions were driving an increase in the global temperature, but added that the effect of the oceans was not well enough understood and could have a key role. “It (the sea) could make all the difference between a hot age and an ice age,” he said. He said he still thought that climate change was happening, but that its effects would be felt farther in the future than he previously thought. “We will have global warming, but it’s been deferred a bit,” Lovelock said.
worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change?lite
 
Old 12-10-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Dude, something like 50% of evangelicals deny anthropogenic climate change, which is by far higher than any other sect. So the primary deniers are them and the oil, gas, and coal industries.
Only in America...They treat climate change the same way they treat their religion...Denial on the basis of faith, evidence be damned....
 
Old 12-10-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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Only in America...They treat climate change the same way they treat their religion...Denial on the basis of faith, evidence be damned....
Seems to me that both you and California831 are more concerned about religion than the science. Lets' discuss it.

Would you agree to what I posted about that question? That's the problem with everyone of these studies that state this 97% figure, they all have major flaws like that.
 
Old 12-10-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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That's not what I asked, what I asked is 97% of what?
I would assume 97% of all climate scientists.
 
Old 12-10-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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I would assume 97% of all climate scientists.
97% of 1000? 97% of 3000?
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