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Old 12-05-2013, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Obviously the old way did not work. I say try anything to see what works. If you can turn Detroit around , you should be president automatically.
Thats a horrible argument.

Detroit could be turned around in many different ways, some of which are fairly obvious, but many would believe violate others rights.

For example, there are 80,000 abandoned building in Detroit, there are entire square miles in that city where no one lives, but there are tones of buildings that are fire hazards and drug dens. Those properties are not collecting revenue because no one is paying taxes on them, but the fire departments and police still have to keep tabs on them.

If you wanted to try anything, you could start from the outside and move inward with controlled burns, de annexation and selling off of those properties after the owners had been contacted and offered a chance at their properties either by paying back-taxes or paying the cities to maintain them.

That would shrink the area that the city has to worry about maintaining and lower cost, the same would be done downtown(minus the de-annexation) while adding green spaces.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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The solutions for Detroit have to start in Detroit. They need investment from the private sector and one place we all know they could start is in housing. Seems they have land and old housing that needs to be torn down and replaced with a home that is energy sufficient. Those old homes are not worth standing to rent out due to the high gas bills which can run up in the 400 buck range.

Newer buildings at lower cost would be sought after then some old house eating up the budget, finding renters and getting a return on investemnt would be no problem.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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Michigan and other rust belt states already have programs like this in place. Expanding them to the federal level is an interesting idea, but I'm afraid it isn't go to have much of an impact on Detroit's many, many problems. Giving poor people breaks on taxes that they already aren't paying isn't going to create a job, nor entice a business owner to live in the city instead of the many wealthy suburbs that surround it.

Deterioration of the property tax base has been the real budget killer in Detroit and all of the lowered capital gains taxes in the world aren't going to fix that.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: NC
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A Pleasant Surprise: Reflecting On Detroit's Downtown Revitalization - YouTube

Detroit is actually experiencing a mini tech boom.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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Rand Paul wants big tax cuts for Detroit, other distressed areas

Devotees of the failed Keynesian economic policies that wrought Detroits destruction will hate this plan.
Solyndra, Fisker, Ecotality etc. come to mind.
Nobody allocates resources better than when ownership risks its own capital.
Give Solyndra a break. We know the reason why it failed. They didn't get enough money. If the government give them 5 trillion instead of 500m, then Solyndra will be a success story.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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I dislike it also. All citizens should be treated the same. Some areas shouldn't have lower taxes just because they were poorly run.
True. There should be lower taxes for ALL.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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You could revive Detroit in one year if you cut Medciare 10% for one year and poured the money into Detroit But then you would have the Tea Party types complaining. Then there is defense spending which is even worse. Both of these are supported by Republicans 100%. Republicans have their hands into our pockets pretty deep but then its for a good cause.
Or how about cutting Medicaid instead and doing that same thing? Medicaid goes for those who never paid a dime into the system, unlike Medicare which people who get paid for.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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The solutions for Detroit have to start in Detroit. They need investment from the private sector and one place we all know they could start is in housing. Seems they have land and old housing that needs to be torn down and replaced with a home that is energy sufficient. Those old homes are not worth standing to rent out due to the high gas bills which can run up in the 400 buck range.

Newer buildings at lower cost would be sought after then some old house eating up the budget, finding renters and getting a return on investemnt would be no problem.
With all due respect to the OP, you're right. The people of Detroit aren't gonna listen to some dude from Kentucky by way of Texas. Especially after they find out his stance on the CRA and how he wouldn't have voted for it.

That said, I don't think the plan is terribly flawed. Some of it is definitely workable. But Detroit will have to come up with their own solutions.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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Detroits problem is curuption. They get rid of that and they have a chance.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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Or how about cutting Medicaid instead and doing that same thing? Medicaid goes for those who never paid a dime into the system, unlike Medicare which people who get paid for.
Not true. Medicaid doesn't necessarily have no cost paid by those covered. I assume you are also referring to taxes, which would also be an assumption.

Regardless you seem to be leaving out the returns it makes for govt. They offer those services so they can create investment funds which they invest and largely pocket. Health care districts, securities, debt pools etc.... People really need to go study actual accounting and not headlines or budget reports. Govt offers the services it does because govt benefits plain and simple.
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