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Old 12-06-2013, 08:52 PM
 
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Does anyone know how hard it is to fire a federal employee? Especially if an employee is considered a minority? It doesn't matter if you caught said employee falling down drunk on the job. That employee is offered some substance abuse counseling first and keeps the job. A lot of times they get transfered or promoted to another position/facility.

Can someone explain it all to me?
I have worked as a defense contractor. The GS types provide little bang for the buck for American taxpayers. They routinely provide little work but have no fear or being fired. They get annual raises and step increases for just showing up. To prove how good they have it, check and see what the job turnover rate is for federal gov't types. Compare that to the private sector.

I had 1 guy tell me he had a secretary that was so bad her letters and memos that she typed could not be sent out. Someone else had to rewrite them. But they fixed the problem by giving her a raise thus making her ineligible to do the secretary job. What a great system.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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Poverty in America is a choice. How do you get rid of people choosing to be poor?

Why would someone choose to work and be poor at the same time?
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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Yes.



Yes.
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Are there millions of local jobs available for 50-64 year olds with minimal education, the most common age group on disability?


??? Are there miillions of accessible jobs for 50-64 year olds with minnimal education, minimal skills, and no car or license to drive? And how can they move if they live paycheck to paycheck, have no car, and no money?
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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So, what you would advocate is outsource the government?
LOL You made me think of this great piece

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10/23/03: (ICH) Citing the growing cost of running the Federal government andthe need to cut costs in order to reduce the budget deficit, President Bushannounced today that he was laying off all 535 members of Congress andtransferring lawmaking operations to a legislative support center in Bangalore,India.

"Hey, outsourcing is the way to go these days," said Bush at animpromptu news conference where he announced the decision, adding, "TheAmerican people want to see less government waste. Since every one of thoseex-Congressmen had a salary of $150,000, this move will cut our costs by over$80 million per year, and that's not even counting what we'll save on health insuranceand retirement plans."

Sources indicate that the Indian replacements will be paid approximately $250per month. The outcry from the newly laid-off Senators and Representatives wasswift . Ex-California Senator Diane Feinstein said, "This is absolutely outrageous.How can a bunch of replacements over in India run Congress? What do they knowabout filibusters and committee hearings?" As she was being escorted outof the Hart Senate Office Building by U.S. Capitol Police officers, Feinsteincomplained that the newly-terminated lawmakers were only given 10 minutes toclean out their desks and leave the building.

"I think it's a great idea," said Vice President Dick Cheney,speaking from a secure undisclosed location. "The American people were fedup with that expensive do-nothing Congress which didn't give the Presidenteverything he asked for. Our new Indian replacements will be much morecooperative to the President, which is what we all want."

Asked whether the outsourcing may be unconstitutional, Cheney noted,"That's up to the Supreme Court to decide, but they never pay muchattention to the constitution anyway. To them it's a 'living document' thatwill be different every day. The new members of Congress seem thrilled with theattention they are receiving. Speaking from the offices of All-IndiaLegislative Support Centre Ltd. in Bangalore, new Mississippi SenatorRamchandra Shektar Gupta told reporters, "The Indian people are very hardworking and we will do our best as U.S. Congressmen and Congresswomen. And weare going to have some fun too. Just think: we have $2 trillion of the Americantaxpayers' money to spend.
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Old 12-07-2013, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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According to a Cato Institute study published last year, combined expenditures for federal and state governments provided to means-tested public assistance, welfare, is about $1 Trillion a year.

There are approximately 48 million people in the U.S. with incomes at the poverty level or below.

1 Trillion dollars divided by 48 million people is about $21,000 tax dollars spent PER PERSON a year. That would be $84,000 for a family of four.

Fire the government union workers and cut the poor a monthly check instead. A family of four could live comfortably on $84,000 a year.
84k a year for doing nothing? That's so ridiculously stupid it's mind numbing. Is this what we are becoming as a nation? Seriously, you hbe the coca nuts to come on here and suggest a family of four gets 84k a year for doing absoluty nothing? How in the hell do people that think like this sleep at night knowing they are taking money from their working neighbors for doing ziltch? We are so screwed.
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Old 12-07-2013, 05:35 AM
 
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84k a year for doing nothing? That's so ridiculously stupid it's mind numbing. Is this what we are becoming as a nation? Seriously, you hbe the coca nuts to come on here and suggest a family of four gets 84k a year for doing absoluty nothing? How in the hell do people that think like this sleep at night knowing they are taking money from their working neighbors for doing ziltch? We are so screwed.
I call Poe's Law.
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Old 12-07-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: London
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I don't think you can end poverty by just giving money to people, it would have all kind of effects:

1. Lower wages
2. faster real estate bubbling

and perhaps others and you pretty much end from where you started.

A very different system would be required to end poverty. There are a lot of resources and technologies for pretty much everybody, especially in a country like US. Imagine everybody having a very good robot who gets 2-3 jobs and provides minimum needs for that individual/family Then everybody would be like children or artists, the money/wealth would just poor in while people would be more interested in hiking, painting and stuff like that and engineering (especially men would love to sit around with fancy tools and try all sort of different things). The robot example is just an exaggeration to stay away from a long debate about lazy vs hard working.

Now, I don't want to start some endless debate, but looking into things like The Venus Project might be a start. I'm not saying that those pictures are the solution, as those people also stated they are not actually presenting THE solution, Jacque Fresco is only saying that humans reached a point where things can be done differently if people choose to look at things differently, his organisation is only trying to offer powerful imagery to force people to think.

For such change to happen, people should one by one give up for a few minutes everything they learned without good reasons (religion, politics, patriotism and so on much of the culture) and re-evaluate all of them with critical thinking. This is difficult because brains are hard-wired to be very conservative about what they were thought during childhood especially and later on. You can actually separate twins after birth, allow them to grow in very different countries and cultures and later on, when they meet, each would very likely think his/her culture is the superior one, without actually thinking about it. They may even end up in opposite sides in some stupid war that was actually started by some greedy politicians/bankers. Each principle should have its own merit, it shouldn't matter if such good principle happens to also be in the Bible, Qu'ran, Marx, Einstein's memoires or Confucius. Of course, individual self-determination must exists, nobody should interfere with other's lifestyle and personal choices. Obviously killing, stealing and other forms of serious assault cannot be tolerated in the name of individual freedom, but pretty much everything else should be left alone.
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Old 12-07-2013, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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According to a Cato Institute study published last year, combined expenditures for federal and state governments provided to means-tested public assistance, welfare, is about $1 Trillion a year.

There are approximately 48 million people in the U.S. with incomes at the poverty level or below.

1 Trillion dollars divided by 48 million people is about $21,000 tax dollars spent PER PERSON a year. That would be $84,000 for a family of four.

Fire the government union workers and cut the poor a monthly check instead. A family of four could live comfortably on $84,000 a year.
If the government starts handing $84,000/family out, I will quit my job that pays just over half of that. $84K is more than most working families make. The welfare rolls would swell. Why work and get less?
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I don't think you can end poverty by just giving money to people, ....
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We've proven that quite well over the past forty years.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee View Post
According to a Cato Institute study published last year, combined expenditures for federal and state governments provided to means-tested public assistance, welfare, is about $1 Trillion a year.

There are approximately 48 million people in the U.S. with incomes at the poverty level or below.

1 Trillion dollars divided by 48 million people is about $21,000 tax dollars spent PER PERSON a year. That would be $84,000 for a family of four.

Fire the government union workers and cut the poor a monthly check instead. A family of four could live comfortably on $84,000 a year.
This is what the average government employee makes.
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