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Old 12-08-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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All you can do is repeat the same Fox talking points. The "crooks" were here throughout repub administrations with zero action taken against them. Funny how it's suddenly a problem with the election of Obama, eh?
Even though the repub corporate base is doing fabulously well, the total right wing concern, stoked by RW media, is about the brown guys from Mexico and the black guy in the White House - who are you kidding.
And your boy Limbaugh, guru and con man, has made himself extremely wealthy by feeding the hatred of RW dupes even further.

What universe are you in? Oh yeah, the Fox universe. Yes it's about bringing down wages for more profit - by the corporate right.
The "unlimited cheap labor" you speak of is exactly what the corporate right is pursuing, whether here or in third-world countries. Get out of that Fox cocoon.
So why are YOU insisting on unlimited illegal immigration? What do you get out of it?
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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What does "race hate" have to do with objecting to illegal immigration and amnesty? Just the usual race card pulling by the defenders of illegal aliens. As for Hispanics refusing to vote for the GOP. Here is an interesting article about it. The GOP needs to focus on groups they can reach rather than one with an ethnocentric agenda that they can't reach. Giving away our country to a bunch of illegal invaders and their supporters is not in the national interest.

Is the Latino vote up for grabs? Stanford pollster says no
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:43 PM
 
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So why are YOU insisting on unlimited illegal immigration? What do you get out of it?
Take a breath and get a grip.
Reading comprehension? Where have I insisted on "unlimited illegal immigration"? It is progressives who want legislative action with a "road to citizenship" provision. Repugs only huff and puff for their corporate media allies hoping they can blame Obama. That's the strategy for upcoming elections.
Repug hypocrisy is at fault for bawling and complaining but letting the problem fester when they had power. Repugs want what their corporate masters want - dirt cheap labor. You truly don't know what outsourcing is about, and why repugs are fighting reform on that front also? You don't see how these all tie together in the trickle-down repug strategy? "Fair-and-balanced" Fox not telling you?
Question is, why do you support the phony, hypocritical, do-nothing, republican position on the issue?
Remember, the repub party is the "party of business" (owners and CEOs) which believes Wall Street is over-regulated.
As I showed previously, and which you choose to ignore, it is the corporate right repub base which is benefiting.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Bush tried to pass an amnesty just like Obama is trying to. It was also shot down in congress. I don't need Fox or Limbaugh talking points. I can think for myself! I don't watch either.

Brown guys from Mexico? Well, just like clockwork here comes the race card. It's about illegal aliens regardless of skin color or nationality! I have no issue with blacks either. The so-called black guy in the White House is half white! Most conservatives like myself object to Obama's policies and the Democrat's period! Just more race card pulling by you. I was a fan of Herman Cain ( a fully black guy) until the scandal broke out.

Apparently the Democrats want to see wages to continue to plummet also with their advocacy for an amnesty. Pot, kettle, black.
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:56 PM
 
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What does "race hate" have to do with objecting to illegal immigration and amnesty? Just the usual race card pulling by the defenders of illegal aliens. As for Hispanics refusing to vote for the GOP. Here is an interesting article about it. The GOP needs to focus on groups they can reach rather than one with an ethnocentric agenda that they can't reach. Giving away our country to a bunch of illegal invaders and their supporters is not in the national interest.

Is the Latino vote up for grabs? Stanford pollster says no
For one, because conservative whites wanted to "take their country back" from Obama the day he was elected. RW media has been playing up race to resentful whites ever since then with dogwhistles thrown into commentary like "food stamp president", Obama as "lazy", "welfare queens", "liberal race traitors", Trayvon Martin (not Zimmerman of course) as "thug", "ghetto", "drive-by", "watermelon", "entitlements", "quotas" - all signals to the frightened caucasian base which say "I'm with you".
Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025? - Patrick J. Buchanan - Google Books

Even the conservative reason.com recognizes a "panic" out there about the loss of white power.
The Silly Panic Over a Minority White Nation - Reason.com

So one certainly can be against illegal immigration without being racist - and rightly so, but it is the conservative Right which has bellowed the loudest and done nothing about it.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:54 AM
 
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Take a breath and get a grip.
Reading comprehension? Where have I insisted on "unlimited illegal immigration"? It is progressives who want legislative action with a "road to citizenship" provision. Repugs only huff and puff for their corporate media allies hoping they can blame Obama. That's the strategy for upcoming elections.
Repug hypocrisy is at fault for bawling and complaining but letting the problem fester when they had power. Repugs want what their corporate masters want - dirt cheap labor. You truly don't know what outsourcing is about, and why repugs are fighting reform on that front also? You don't see how these all tie together in the trickle-down repug strategy? "Fair-and-balanced" Fox not telling you?
Question is, why do you support the phony, hypocritical, do-nothing, republican position on the issue?
Remember, the repub party is the "party of business" (owners and CEOs) which believes Wall Street is over-regulated.
As I showed previously, and which you choose to ignore, it is the corporate right repub base which is benefiting.
WeHireAliens.com--Illegal Alien Employer Database brought to you by the FIRE Coalition
Rewarding anyone who comes here illegally with easy US citizenship and all the government handouts and access to jobs that go with it is certainly about promoting illegal immigration.

Adding 11 to 30 million current illegals to the legal labor pool with many Americans out of work is obviously irresponsible and shows the "progressives" contempt for the American worker.

Yes, sometimes it's better to do nothing --- even if Obama chooses not to deport these people, handing them USA citizenship on a silver platter is not the only alternative. Leave them illegal - it was their choice to be here that way.

As far as "white power" --- whites have the highest employment rates. Blacks however have the very highest unemployment rates. Blacks are the ones that Obama seems to be referring to when he claims we need millions of illegals because Americans are too lazy to work. It's black workers being replaced more than white workers by millions of illegals.
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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Since Reagan's amnesty BOTH parties have been guilty of letting this problem fester. Why the lies? We have had several Democrat presidents and at times a dominated Democratic congress who did nothing about this problem either. Someone needs to lay down their hatred for the Republicans (not repugs) and look at the total picture. They also need to stop being in denial that the Democrats desire cheap, illegal labor just as well unless they think that there are no Democrat business owners of which is a crock.

I have to laugh at those who b*tch about the corporations getting richer when these same people want amnesty for their cheap, illegal slaves to continue to make them richer. What hypocricy!
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Old 12-09-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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So working with repugs is "caving".
Thanks to repug obstructionism, Obama has gotten little of what he wants and what he was elected for. Remember, you righties love to say "elections have consequences" - except when it doesn't go your way.
I'm a "rightie"?? Elections having consequences with every election at every level regardless of party.

It amazes me how republicans and democrats ASSume they know everyone's political leaning. How does that work? Is there a handbook called "How to Spot a democrat/republican?" Why do you label someone because they don't agree your political beliefs?

Did it ever occur to you that Obama has gotten little of what he DEMANDS?? You even said it was about what he WANTS. Do you think every president gets what he wants and where is it stated that they get everything they want? How about you tell us exactly what was he elected for? To keep the promises that he made that he had no control over?

He's incredibly inflexible and stubborn. A president doesn't take the position "it's my way or the highway" and that's been his position since he took office. The other side is not obligated to fulfill campaign promises made by the other side. Look how long it took for him, by his own admission, to say that he was willing to work with the republicans on a piece meal agreement regarding illegals path to citizenship. Obama wanted to give citizenship away. Why shouldn't illegals follow a step-by-step process to earn the right of citizenship, the way people legally have to follow a step-by-step process who apply for citizenship? Obama is more willing to negotiate with Iran than he is the republicans.

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Old 12-09-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Rewarding anyone who comes here illegally with easy US citizenship and all the government handouts and access to jobs that go with it is certainly about promoting illegal immigration.

Adding 11 to 30 million current illegals to the legal labor pool with many Americans out of work is obviously irresponsible and shows the "progressives" contempt for the American worker.

Yes, sometimes it's better to do nothing --- even if Obama chooses not to deport these people, handing them USA citizenship on a silver platter is not the only alternative. Leave them illegal - it was their choice to be here that way.

As far as "white power" --- whites have the highest employment rates. Blacks however have the very highest unemployment rates. Blacks are the ones that Obama seems to be referring to when he claims we need millions of illegals because Americans are too lazy to work. It's black workers being replaced more than white workers by millions of illegals.
You have just inadvertently expressed the common RW view - a racist and disgusting statement, yet y'all claim the Right is "not racist". You have injected your own thoughts and beliefs into Obama's statements.
When did Obama say Americans are too lazy to work?? It was your boy Romney who didn't just "seem to indicate" it, but said it flat out to his peers in a backroom "private and safe" environment! It is the corporate repub right with its rich inheritance-baby supporters who outsource jobs, obstruct reform, then complain via RW media about the "lazy, overpaid, uppity" American worker.
You keep ignoring what I say and just continue with the same script. I'll make it simpler for you.
A) It is the RW corporate base which wants dirt-cheap labor, whether here or abroad.
B) Repubs have wanted to retain immigration as a wedge issue when out of power and at election time.

The RW hypocrisy on issues which you espouse does not go unnoticed.
*Who displays "contempt" for the American worker, the hated unions and their "progressive" supporters?
*Who wants to destroy labor unions?
*Who rails against workers' rights constantly 24/7 (and who else advocates for them)?
*Who encourages outsourcing for slave labor in foreign countries and fights legislation designed to reverse that trend?
*Who has zero ideas but can only oppose or destroy programs they don't like.
Only a Fox dupe believes it is "liberals" who support this.
It is the "left" which historically has supported workers to the consternation of the Right, yet this little fact is lost on you, eh?
It is your RW which really hates the American worker. Show me a Republican jobs plan - I won't ask for proof, just describe it.
These Fox scripts contradict themselves and are easily recognized by all but Limbaugh dittoheads.

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Old 12-09-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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I'm a "rightie"?? Elections having consequences with every election at every level regardless of party.

It amazes me how republicans and democrats ASSume they know everyone's political leaning. How does that work? Is there a handbook called "How to Spot a democrat/republican?" Why do you label someone because they don't agree your political beliefs?

Did it ever occur to you that Obama has gotten little of what he DEMANDS?? You even said it was about what he WANTS. Do you think every president gets what he wants and where is it stated that they get everything they want? How about you tell us exactly what was he elected for? To keep the promises that he made that he had no control over?

A) He's incredibly inflexible and stubborn. A president doesn't take the position "it's my way or the highway" and that's been his position since he took office. The other side is not obligated to fulfill campaign promises made by the other side. Look how long it took for him, by his own admission, to say that he was willing to work with the republicans on a piece meal agreement regarding illegals path to citizenship. Obama wanted to give citizenship away. B) Why shouldn't illegals follow a step-by-step process to earn the right of citizenship, the way people legally have to follow a step-by-step process who apply for citizenship? C) Obama is more willing to negotiate with Iran than he is the republicans.
A) YES you are a rightie because of these right-wing Fox-media notions which you have repeated almost word-for-word throughout your post - yet you seem surprised. Here's some news for you, although it has duped many listeners and claims otherwise, "fair and balanced" Fox "News" is not moderate or traditional America, it is the voice of corporate America speaking to the lower classes.

B) That is exactly what Obama wants and what has been tabled by repubs - because their base doesn't want a "path to citizenship". Fox has lied to you.

C) This is right off the script. Do not succumb to this xenophobic baiting.
Mark Levin: It’s weird how Obama is more willing to negotiate with Iran than with Republicans | Mofo Politics
Ed Henry Corners Carney: Why Is Obama Willing To Negotiate With Iran, But Not Republicans? | Independent Journal Review
Obama Negotiates With Iranian President But Not Republicans - Fox Nation
Articles: Obama's 'Death to America' Alliance with Iran
Obama more willing to negotiate with Iran than he is fellow Americans Republicans on reworking job killing Obamacare on debt negotiations | Right Wing News

The list is endless and not "news" at all - can you discern the difference? You see, Obama just hates America and everything it stands for - right? RW media is playing to every human fear - including xenophobia.
These talking points are devised and disseminated from above by Karl Rove and Roger Ailes to the "rightie" conservative media outlets for them to repeat. Don't be a sucker.

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