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Old 12-16-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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He did not take revenge on the ruling class after becoming President, but he was still in love with dictators like Castro and loved Communism. He had his moment in history but he was not as good as the media is trying to make him out to be when compared to really great leaders like Reagan and Thatcher.
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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Neuling? Let's just call this a "Mexican Standoff".

I will concede that, no, I DON'T get your "point". It just seems to ramble a bit....

So is THAT your point? What Carter said? The president who embarrassed this country by his weakness and naivety in almost every foreign relation decisions he ever made? Made fools out of us in front of the world? Good lord...

No, there is no segregation against whites in the constitution...you are right, there. The ANC just kills those (blacks included) whose land they want, and who opposed them -- like every other dictatorial regime that ever was -- and have let the country become one of the third world (see links from earlier post). Oh, it is "segregation" alright...just phrased and carried out under prettier words!

But whatever, I agree with you on some minor levels. Yep, the more the western nations of Europe go "socialistic"? Then certainly it will follow the path of historical lesson. More oppression, restriction, control and, eventually, crimes created and defined by those who object.

But ok, again...this has run its course. You can have the last word. I will leave it to the judgment of others and history itself, to see which vindicates!

Have a good evening...and I mean that sincerely!
I like Carter, always have, he was the last moral president I remember.

Some people are segregating against others, but many blacks are not at all doing that. Actually, most of them are surprisingly forgiving and diplomatic towards whites. There is some racism and segregation, but it is not based on the constitution anymore, to the contrary, it happens DESPITE the constitution and laws forbidding it.

The ANC does not kill anyone, it is a political party. It is like saying the GOP is killing people when in reality individuals who happen to be Republicans kill someone. There are also murderers in SA that are not ANC voters. And most victims of those murders are not whites. Maybe you are confusing SA with Zimbabwe

SA is not a dictatorship, they have regular elections, even if you don't like their outcome.

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Old 12-16-2013, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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He did not take revenge on the ruling class after becoming President, but he was still in love with dictators like Castro and loved Communism. He had his moment in history but he was not as good as the media is trying to make him out to be when compared to really great leaders like Reagan and Thatcher.
Well Reagan and Thatcher were supporters of the Apartheid government, ergo they were against the ANC and Mandela. For all their faults, Castro, et al. were supporters of the ANC.
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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He did not take revenge on the ruling class after becoming President, but he was still in love with dictators like Castro and loved Communism. He had his moment in history but he was not as good as the media is trying to make him out to be when compared to really great leaders like Reagan and Thatcher.
Well, where were conservatives when Mandela wasn't being violent? Last time I checked, no conservative was behind Mandela in his early days, before the armed struggle. How come only Communists were backing him? How come no conservatives backed him?
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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Actually South Africa is usually considered a 2nd World nation (those terms are non-PC now, by the way) in the same grouping as South Korea, Spain and Taiwan.

This thread will degenerate and be closed in fairly short order.
It is no where near as affluent as South Korea, Spain, or Taiwan.

Also, 2nd world is a cold war term that referred to socialist nations.
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