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Old 12-07-2013, 11:10 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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It wouldn't be mandatory. You could choose not to donate. But if you did choose to donate, there would be a minimum donation level, just like with the minimum wage level. Would this not boost charity, just as the minimum wage boosts wages?
You are reaching big time, trying to knight for your corporate masters, against your own interests. What non-sense.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:43 PM
 
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Yeah, forget about what is right and do what is politically expedient.
It's not right and that's why it's not politically expedient.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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IOW it is too much analysis for you, as for every other lefty.

I'll ask it again. If a minimum wage is a good idea, why not a minimum donation level? As with the minimum wage, the true minimum would be zero (you can opt not to donate at all), but if you do donate, why not mandate a minimum level as a way to boost fundraising?


If it is a good idea with wage rates, why is it not a good idea with donation rates? Both are numbers that we all would like to see boosted, right?
Who should the donation be to? Would this be donations in general? How would this be regulated? Why would a charity want to turn down money that didn't reach the minimum? And why are you obsessed with this strawman idea that minimum wage and charity donations are the same thing?
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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“If a meteor ever smashes into the earth, leaving the planet a dark lifeless wreck, there will still be two economists walking down a desolate post-apocalyptic Connecticut Avenue arguing about whether minimum wage laws kill jobs.”

-from the Atlantic
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:56 AM
 
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Why do you think that?

Local labor markets with a surplus of low-end labor would see low-end wages fall, while employment would increase, and real estate people generally agree that job growth leads to increased household formation (e.g. unemployed Junior living in his mother's basement gets a job and then finds his own place to live) which reduces rental vacancy rates, leading in turn to higher rents.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Who should the donation be to? Would this be donations in general? How would this be regulated? Why would a charity want to turn down money that didn't reach the minimum? And why are you obsessed with this strawman idea that minimum wage and charity donations are the same thing?
A strawman is an argument that your opponent didn't make, which you then knock down. In this case, I am repeating your own argument back to you. Why not a minimum donation level along the same lines as the minimum wage? That's not a straw man. If the principle works for wages, why not for donations? If it's a boon in one case, why not the other?
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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Local labor markets with a surplus of low-end labor would see low-end wages fall, while employment would increase, and real estate people generally agree that job growth leads to increased household formation (e.g. unemployed Junior living in his mother's basement gets a job and then finds his own place to live) which reduces rental vacancy rates, leading in turn to higher rents.
So, your defense of the minimum wage law is that it reduces housing prices.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:30 AM
 
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Who should the donation be to? Would this be donations in general? How would this be regulated? Why would a charity want to turn down money that didn't reach the minimum? And why are you obsessed with this strawman idea that minimum wage and charity donations are the same thing?
Nobody is obsessed with anything except you.

Hiring someone is voluntary. Working is voluntary. What the hirer and hiree ( snicker ) want to agree on should be voluntary.

You're pointing out that donations are voluntary, accepting them is voluntary, and that you have no right to interfere with what other people do.... Unless, of course, one is working for the other, in which case you insist that YOUR wishes be imposed on them about what one must pay and the other must accept.

You even want there to be PUNISHMENT if it's too high, in the form of higher taxes.

Why is ONE relationship voluntary and should not interfered with, and the other your business to demand your way?
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Joe Barton A GOD representative calls for the repeal of the minimum wage.

GOP Rep. Joe Barton Calls For Minimum Wage Repeal

How many people think that this would end well at all? Am I the only one that finds this appalling? That he could be so out of touch with the people who he represents?

What do people here that support this think would happen if it were to pass?
Yes! Government should not tell anyone what wages to pay.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:01 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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“If a meteor ever smashes into the earth, leaving the planet a dark lifeless wreck, there will still be two economists walking down a desolate post-apocalyptic Connecticut Avenue arguing about whether minimum wage laws kill jobs.”

-from the Atlantic
Best post yet.
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