U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-06-2013, 08:51 PM
 
8,315 posts, read 9,755,560 times
Reputation: 10607

Advertisements

Measles cases in U.S. rise; most unvaccinated, CDC says

Quote:
That's about three times the usual number of cases of measles, CDC Director Thomas Frieden said Thursday. The USA has seen nine outbreaks this year, with the largest in New York, North Carolina and Texas.

More than 98% of measles patients were unvaccinated, Frieden said.
Interesting tidbit about like-minded anti-vaccine communities becoming the weak spot in the defense against these illnesses.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-06-2013, 09:20 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
2,819 posts, read 2,864,711 times
Reputation: 1246
9 outbreaks? That it is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-06-2013, 11:24 PM
 
Location: California
30,509 posts, read 33,322,731 times
Reputation: 25977
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torpedos View Post
9 outbreaks? That it is.
Outbreaks, not infected people.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 04:58 PM
 
24,503 posts, read 35,328,194 times
Reputation: 12810
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11thHour View Post
Measles cases in U.S. rise; most unvaccinated, CDC says



Interesting tidbit about like-minded anti-vaccine communities becoming the weak spot in the defense against these illnesses.
Anti-vaccine groups don't say that vaccines are ineffective. So I don't see what you're getting at...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
13,053 posts, read 7,777,215 times
Reputation: 6935
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBest View Post
Anti-vaccine groups don't say that vaccines are ineffective. So I don't see what you're getting at...
what do they say?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:28 PM
 
16,683 posts, read 9,060,505 times
Reputation: 6742
Quote:
Originally Posted by mohawkx View Post
what do they say?
Well Obama said that they might cause Autism and he dismisses the vast majority of scientists that have weighed in on the matter.


"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it." -Obama

Last edited by michiganmoon; 12-07-2013 at 05:37 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:30 PM
 
24,503 posts, read 35,328,194 times
Reputation: 12810
Quote:
Originally Posted by mohawkx View Post
what do they say?
I can't completely speak for them... but their most popular opinion is that vaccines introduce side effects and health risks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:51 PM
 
9,665 posts, read 8,624,350 times
Reputation: 3225
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11thHour View Post
Measles cases in U.S. rise; most unvaccinated, CDC says



Interesting tidbit about like-minded anti-vaccine communities becoming the weak spot in the defense against these illnesses.
Well...

Naturally. There aren't many happy ways to become immune to a virus.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
25,393 posts, read 30,647,409 times
Reputation: 14582
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBest View Post
I can't completely speak for them... but their most popular opinion is that vaccines introduce side effects and health risks.
So do the diseases they prevent.

Everything has risk. You have to ask yourself what you'd rather risk. The side effects from the vaccine or the life long issues of the disease. Before vaccines it was common for children to die. Today it's uncommon.

What is really sad here is not that the anti vaccers risk their kids, it's that they also risk those who cannot be vaccinated and those for whom vaccines are ineffective but I'm sure they don't care about that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2013, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
5,595 posts, read 6,345,828 times
Reputation: 2385
So what? If they decide, based on their own judgment, that the risk associated with the vaccine to them is greater than the risk of contracting the disease, that's a risk they have a right to take and a decision they have a right to make; not only that but oftentimes, when all the components and risks are weighed, declining a vaccination is the safer decision. If you're vaccinated you should be protected, so if you want to be protected from measles get yourself vaccinated, if you haven't already. If these vaccines do not protect those vaccinated from the disease, then it would be time to start asking some questions about their effectiveness.

Also, about children dying and vaccines preventing that, it's also uncommon for an unvaccinated child to die of a disease today, probably because we have much better sanitation and medical care than we did, say, 100 years ago, and the diseases are not as prevalent as they were. Vaccines did play a part in the 20th century improvements in child mortality, but to make a leap from that to claiming, in effect, that an unvaccinated child today would suffer a fate fitting a compatriot of Oliver Twist, is unwarranted. It's worth noting that generally speaking even on the off chance you do get these once-common childhood diseases, the chances of you being killed, crippled, or even having lifetime effects of any kind are remote. So it is with vaccines; however, you only have a possibility of receiving these diseases, whereas you have a certainty of receiving the vaccine. That means that for the vaccine to be worth the risk in most of these cases, the chances for death, injury, or adverse reaction from the vaccination would need to be at least an order or two of magnitude lower than for the disease itself.

In my view this is not true of the flu vaccine, where the disease itself is mild in the vast majority of cases involving healthy people, as opposed to the common (mild) adverse reactions associated with the vaccine. However, any given person will only contract the flu once every few years, as opposed to the annual flu vaccination. In my humble view the vaccinations are worth it in the cases of childhood diseases such as measles and chicken pox. Many of you here may not agree with me on these conclusions, which is precisely why I (or anyone else) shouldn't be allowed to dictate to the rest of you what sort of vaccinations you must get. In short, it is a personal lifestyle choice.

I will conclude by pointing out that if the rates of these once-common diseases rise, then that would give more weight to the risk of contracting the disease versus the risk of the vaccination, and thus more people would prefer to get vaccinated.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:35 PM.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top