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Old 12-07-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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(sorry if already posted, search function is crashing like an eagle into a turbine blade).

For wind power, US extends permit for eagle deaths - US News and World Report

The admin posted a new rule Friday allowing wind turbine farms to "take" (kill, injure, or disturb) a specified number of bald and golden eagles for 30 years. A rule had been in place making it illegal, but the administration has declined to enforce it. And according to some, the new rule is really contrary to the law as well:

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The regulation published Friday was not subjected to a full environmental review because the administration classified it as an administrative change.
"The federal government didn't study the impacts of this rule change even though the (law) requires it," said Kelly Fuller, who formerly headed up the wind campaign at the American Bird Conservancy. "Instead, the feds have decided to break the law and use eagles as lab rats."
Under this admin's reign, the executive is the law. Congress and courts just sit back, collect your paychecks, and shut up.

It's always revealing when two interest groups on the same side of the aisle come to blows. Which group wins can speak volumes about where the party's bread is really buttered. We saw it on the R side in the last decade with the Patriot Act. The pro-liberty faction of the party clashed with the security/LE lobby and lost.

Here we see it on the D side: the green corporate welfare interests clash with the Sierra clubbers. The side with the money wins, and the side with the passion loses. And the bald eagle loses, too. The microcosm is complete.
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Old 12-07-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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It's horrible when wildlife is killed or injured due to human activity, but can you point to an energy source and how it is used or manufactured that has not killed off wildlife and what are the stats as to how much wildlife and habitats are destroyed according to which energy source has caused it?
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Old 12-07-2013, 01:55 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Policy is consistent with Obama mideast policy that makes killing of thousands unacceptable if done by certain means. If thousands are killed by other methods, not a problem with Obama.

So it goes, eagle deaths by oil are to be prosecuted to the fullest, while eagle deaths by windmills are exempt.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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(sorry if already posted, search function is crashing like an eagle into a turbine blade).

For wind power, US extends permit for eagle deaths - US News and World Report

The admin posted a new rule Friday allowing wind turbine farms to "take" (kill, injure, or disturb) a specified number of bald and golden eagles for 30 years. A rule had been in place making it illegal, but the administration has declined to enforce it. And according to some, the new rule is really contrary to the law as well:



Under this admin's reign, the executive is the law. Congress and courts just sit back, collect your paychecks, and shut up.

It's always revealing when two interest groups on the same side of the aisle come to blows. Which group wins can speak volumes about where the party's bread is really buttered. We saw it on the R side in the last decade with the Patriot Act. The pro-liberty faction of the party clashed with the security/LE lobby and lost.

Here we see it on the D side: the green corporate welfare interests clash with the Sierra clubbers. The side with the money wins, and the side with the passion loses. And the bald eagle loses, too. The microcosm is complete.
I agree- this directive IS a microcosm of the Obama Administration- practical, pragmatic, common sense decisions that thoughtfully weigh conflicting priorities, and come to the conclusion that benefits the most Americans.

Thanks for helping to make that point!
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Policy is consistent with Obama mideast policy that makes killing of thousands unacceptable if done by certain means. If thousands are killed by other methods, not a problem with Obama.

So it goes, eagle deaths by oil are to be prosecuted to the fullest, while eagle deaths by windmills are exempt.
Marine Habitat Destruction -- National Geographic

WWF - Impact of habitat loss on species

Oil and Gas Development | Threats | WWF

...and THOUSANDS of other articles on the subject. Funny that right wingers have become tree huggers and environmentally conscious since Obama became the POTUS...

Your outrage is hyped BS and nothing more.

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Old 12-07-2013, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I agree- this directive IS a microcosm of the Obama Administration- practical, pragmatic, common sense decisions that thoughtfully weigh conflicting priorities, and come to the conclusion that benefits the most Americans.

Thanks for helping to make that point!
The founders didn't give us a country where things are decided by pragmatism, practicality, common sense, or trains running on time. Instead they wanted decisions made on rule of law, checks and balances, and democratic process.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I think they should have gone further in their analysis and location of these turbines and their impact on bald eagles, really tragic to see them killed and should have been addressed in the environmental impact statements.

I do have to laugh at those on the right that feign an interest in birds when they are global warming, pro-fracking and demand an apology from the president to British Petroleum.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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The founders didn't give us a country where things are decided by pragmatism, practicality, common sense, or trains running on time. Instead they wanted decisions made on rule of law, checks and balances, and democratic process.
Benjamin Franklin wanted the turkey as the national bird and if they listened to him, the national bird would not be in danger....so much for some of the ideas of the founders. BTW...why don't you answer the question I posed in my first post?

Yeah "Drill Baby Drill" harms no wildlife or habitats.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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I think they should have gone further in their analysis and location of these turbines and their impact on bald eagles, really tragic to see them killed and should have been addressed in the environmental impact statements.

I do have to laugh at those on the right that feign an interest in birds when they are global warming, pro-fracking and demand an apology from the president to British Petroleum.
Excellent points and rep to you.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Happily they won't be building the turbines on the sugar cane fields near Lake Okeechobee. I'm not sure exactly what happened. One study said it was a ridiculous idea because there were no good winds out there anyway.
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