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Old 12-07-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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man, i don't know....but if i went to a bakery to have a cake made and they refused to make my cake, for whatever reason, i sure as hell would not try to find a way to force them to make it for me...never f' with the folks preparing your food...'waiting' 101!

 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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man, i don't know....but if i went to a bakery to have a cake made and they refused to make my cake, for whatever reason, i sure as hell would not try to find a way to force them to make it for me...never f' with the folks preparing your food...'waiting' 101!
Yeah but if you allow it for them, you allow it for the people selling you food too, whether or not they're the only grocery store for 100 miles. I definitely wouldn't go to the bakery after winning the case, but the case itself is important.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:17 PM
 
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Let them eat cake!
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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Just make them a really crappy cake.

Or Put a little pot in it and charge extra. After all it is Colorado.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: California
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Things like this annoy me because it on hinges on "when he found out the couple was gay he...."...could have come up with any number of reasons to not take on the business but came right out and said it's because they are gay. Or he could have made the cake with the knowledge he was just MAKING A CAKE, not giving a blessing to everyone he makes a cake for (and wouldn't THAT info rile up some religious folks!!!). He TURNED it into a religious issue because he wanted to, right? The whole idea of him not being able to support his family because he can't make cakes because he can't go against his religion is kind of silly and self imposed.

It's the smell of someone with very little self confidence and a need for attention and validation.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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His religious beliefs forbid him to bake cakes for gay people? What kind of stupid belief system is that?

Should be allowed to refuse service to black people too? What if he were a doctor? Should he be allowed to refuse to treat gay people?

We'll never outlaw bigotry, but we CAN outlaw discrimination disguised as "freedom of religion".
What if your religion is "liberalism" and somebody decides to outlaw your freedom...
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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What if your religion is "liberalism" and somebody decides to outlaw your freedom...
Liberalism is a political belief, which is not covered under anti-discrimination law.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:23 PM
 
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The bakery owners broke the law, plain and simple. Allowing that sets a very dangerous precedent.

Lots of laws are broken without someone feeling they must sue all the time.

I would hardly call this situation "dangerous."

If this is one of the most important things in life in their opinion, for them to file a suit because someone broke the law by not baking them a cake, then they need to grow up and just move on. Good grief.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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Lots of laws are broken without someone feeling they must sue all the time.

I would hardly call this situation "dangerous."

If this is one of the most important things in life in their opinion, for them to file a suit because someone broke the law by not baking them a cake, then they need to grow up and just move on. Good grief.
It's not an opinion, it's a denial of service in violation of the law. In the case of a cake, that's not very serious, but in other cases, it can be. Best to set precedent before it gets there.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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It's not an opinion, it's a denial of service in violation of the law. In the case of a cake, that's not very serious, but in other cases, it can be. Best to set precedent before it gets there.

Well, you can sure think what you want and so can everyone else. If one of my gay couple friends or neighbors were suing for this, I would think they were being stupid. It's not worth the money, time, and emotional upset that all people involved are going to go through.

Have you ever been involved in a lawsuit? It can consume your life and make you feel emotionally bankrupt, and even cause physical distress that could lead to something serious. I've seen it happen to people I know.

Besides, some lawyer is gonna make a bunch of money off of them, and the baker man.

What a waste. Save it for an important issue.
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