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Old 12-09-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Why would a Christian bakery put OT Mosaic law scripture on their cake when we worship Jesus Christ who made those laws null and void?
Then why do Conservatives keep quoting Leviticus to condemn gays?

And FYI, this wasn't a wedding cake, it was a celebration cake bought by a gay couple. The wedding ceremony was not in Colorado.

 
Old 12-09-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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Baloney, the gay couple could have easily went and found another baker, but no, they had to make a big stink about it just to get attention and press. I'm getting sick of gays acting like their rights and privileges should trump everyone else.
And you would have been whining 50 years ago about blacks acting like their rights trump everyone else when they challenged being denied access to hotels and restaurants. Same bigotry, different century.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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And you would have been whining 50 years ago about blacks acting like their rights trump everyone else when they challenged being denied access to hotels and restaurants. Same bigotry, different century.
The blacks were denied service and access to all venues. They had no choices. Gays very rarely encounter a business today that refuses to serve them. Big difference.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas


The right to wedding cake is defined where in
the constitution?

Look ... listen carefully ... the right of a business
or individual to serve or not serve is the most fundamental of rights. If you
have no choice, and the government forces you to work for someone else, that is
slavery .. forced labor against your will IS SLAVERY.


Oh, The Drama!! A baker is in the business of selling wedding cakes. Making him sell a cake, which is his business in the first place, is SLAVERY!
 
Old 12-09-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Baking Cakes Is Not Religious Conduct

Though Phillips objected to providing the cake on religious grounds, the ALJ pointed out that baking a cake is not actually conduct that is part of his religion. Thus, it does not qualify for exemption from regulation:
Respondents’ refusal to provide a cake for Complainants’ same-sex wedding is distinctly the type of conduct that the Supreme Court has repeatedly found subject to legitimate regulation. Such discrimination is against the law; it adversely affects the rights of Complainants to be free from discrimination in the marketplace; and the impact upon Respondents is incidental to the state’s legitimate regulation of commercial activity. Respondents therefore have no valid claim that barring them from discriminating against same-sex customers violates their right to free exercise of religion. Conceptually, Respondents’ refusal to serve a same-sex couple due to religious objection to same-sex weddings is no different from refusing to serve a biracial couple because of religious objection to biracial marriage. However, that argument was struck down long ago in Bob Jones Univ. v. United States.

Colorado Judge: Bakery That Refused Wedding Cake To Same-Sex Couple Broke The Law | ThinkProgress
 
Old 12-09-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Cole neighborhood, Denver, CO
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And you would have been whining 50 years ago about blacks acting like their rights trump everyone else when they challenged being denied access to hotels and restaurants. Same bigotry, different century.
Blacks were denied access because of LAWS set by the GOVERNMENT. If a proprietor wanted to open his doors to BOTH blacks and whites, he couldn't do it because that would have been illegal. That is completely different from this situation, where the law mandates that a person open his doors to everyone.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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If Ben agrees to do the event, then decides not to do it after arriving, Ben would be in breech of contract. That is a whole different set of laws.
Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too And, you are seriously chasing your own tail here.

There can be no contract to breach if the transaction is compelled or coerced, and according to you, businesses and individuals have no choice.

So I will ask you again, and I will assume that any further diversions is an implied confession of your own understood hypocrisy ...

Should a gay owned printing company be forced to manufacture banners and posters printed with anti-gay messages for a christian group who intend to use those posters to protest the upcoming gay rights march?
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You mean the right to freely practice one's religion? That was established in the Constitution many years ago, but of course, a gay's wedding cake should take priority over someone's constitutional rights.
This business owner is not being denied his right to practice his religion. He can practice it all day long at church.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:04 PM
 
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The blacks were denied service and access to all venues. They had no choices. Gays very rarely encounter a business today that refuses to serve them. Big difference.
But the law needs to be consistent.
 
Old 12-09-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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Blacks were denied access because of LAWS set by the GOVERNMENT. If a proprietor wanted to open his doors to BOTH blacks and whites, he couldn't do it because that would have been illegal. That is completely different from this situation, where the law mandates that a person open his doors to everyone.
No, Heart of Atlanta Motel v. US was because the motel owner didn't want blacks using his rooms, and the government saying he had to was argued by him as a violation of his 5th and 13th Amendment rights.
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