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Old 12-11-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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baking a cake is not a sin
selling a cake is not a sin
helping a same gender "wedding" by baking a and selling a wedding cake is a major sin.
forcing people to help a same gender "wedding" by baking a and selling a wedding cake is a much bigger sin.
killing those who force someone to bake to help a same gender "wedding"is NOT A SIN AND COMMENDABLE law or no law.

I guarantee you if this happened a few times these bigoted laws will go away.
Why don't you try holding your breath until that happens.

 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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It falls apart at #2. Baking and selling a cake for profit is a commercial activity, not a religious one. You don't get to simply call non-religious things religious in order to avoid being beholden to the law.

That reminds me of a long thread on here from a year or so ago about a fundamentalist Christian who in a zoning dispute with the city over building a church sent and published a letter stating that everything he did was religious in nature and that as such none of man's laws applied to him.

The arrogance of the fundamentally religious is astounding.
so your saying no Orthodox Jew should be allowed to bake and sell a wedding cake.


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Old 12-11-2013, 06:32 PM
 
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What part of if they offer wedding cakes for sale they can not discriminate based of sexual orientation do you not get?

The bakery CHOSE to offer wedding cakes.
Under the law they can not refuse to sell a product that they offer for sale based on sexual orientation.

This is not difficult to understand for most people.
he didn't deny based on their sexual orientation
he denied it because it was going to be used for a same gender "Wedding".

the proof would be if a straight person bought a wedding cake for a gender "Wedding" he would also deny it.

if these gay terrorists bought a wedding cake for a real Wedding he would have sold it.

no discrimination
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NY Jew View Post
baking a cake is not a sin
selling a cake is not a sin
helping a same gender "wedding" by baking a and selling a wedding cake is a major sin.
forcing people to help a same gender "wedding" by baking a and selling a wedding cake is a much bigger sin.
killing those who force someone to bake to help a same gender "wedding"is NOT A SIN AND COMMENDABLE law or no law.

I guarantee you if this happened a few times these bigoted laws will go away.
Gay people eat food to provide themselves with energy. They sometimes use that energy to have gay sex. Is helping a gay person produce the energy to have gay sex by selling him food a sin? Is it therefore against Judaism to sell gay people food?

Gay people have sex upon their beds. Is helping a gay person have sex by selling him a bed a sin? Is it therefore against Judaism to sell gay people beds?

Gay people need driver's licenses to legally operate their vehicles, and sometimes they drive these vehicles to have gay sex. Is it therefore against Judaism to get a job with the DMV and help gay people obtain driver's licenses?

And what about other sinners - even Jewish sinners. Wouldn't it be a sin to do any of these things for any sinner? Is it therefore against Judaism to sell anything to, or in anyway help anybody, other than a non-sinning Jew?
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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so your saying no Orthodox Jew should be allowed to bake and sell a wedding cake.
Not at all. Every Orthodox Jew should be allowed to bake and sell wedding cakes as part of a commercial enterprise. As a commercial activity, they just can't discriminate when selling them based on a customer's sex, religion, race, sexual orientation, national origin, or disability.
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:43 PM
 
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Anti sodomy laws were struck down by the USSC. Even if they are on the books, they are no longer the law.
just to understand your position
theoretically if USSC struck down this colorado law based on the first amendment (or for that matter the 13th), would you have a problem if Colorado still enforced this evil law



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Who said anything about Orthodox Jews not being allowed to have a cake? Please stop fighting with strawmen.
these are givens (that are indisputable)
If an Orthodox Jew wants a wedding cake he'll be required to have a kosher wedding cake (and some people would only have one made by other Orthodox Jews)
Orthodox Jews can't sell anything for a same gender "Wedding"

If a bakery is an Orthodox Jewish bakery and primarily sold to Orthodox Jews, and not a single one would sell a wedding cake to a for a same gender "Wedding", and 2 gay terrorists go around to every single kosher bakery in town they will force every single kosher bakery to close


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And no I am not German. I am Cherokee, and Italian.
cause you would make a good German, your good at following evil orders.
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:44 PM
 
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he didn't deny based on their sexual orientation
he denied it because it was going to be used for a same gender "Wedding".

the proof would be if a straight person bought a wedding cake for a gender "Wedding" he would also deny it.

if these gay terrorists bought a wedding cake for a real Wedding he would have sold it.

no discrimination
If it were a heterosexual couple would he have denied them a cake?

No.

Then it was because of their being gay that they were denied service.

It doesn't require being a rocket surgeon to figure this out.
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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Because there was less religious repression among the general public than among Jewish people.
If you were right then Jews should have been over represented before stonewall also ,but they in fact were much less likley to be homosexual.

please explain
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NY Jew View Post
he didn't deny based on their sexual orientation
he denied it because it was going to be used for a same gender "Wedding".

the proof would be if a straight person bought a wedding cake for a gender "Wedding" he would also deny it.

if these gay terrorists bought a wedding cake for a real Wedding he would have sold it.

no discrimination

How many pages of comments did it take to arrive at this point?
 
Old 12-11-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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just to understand your position
theoretically if USSC struck down this colorado law based on the first amendment (or for that matter the 13th), would you have a problem if Colorado still enforced this evil law
If the law is struck down by the USSC, then I think the law should not be enforced. But until that happens, I have no problem with the laws of a state being enforced. And seeing as how anti discrimination laws have been in effect since 1964, and have not been overturned by the USSC, I don't see that happening.



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these are givens (that are indisputable)
If an Orthodox Jew wants a wedding cake he'll be required to have a kosher wedding cake (and some people would only have one made by other Orthodox Jews)
Orthodox Jews can't sell anything for a same gender "Wedding"

If a bakery is an Orthodox Jewish bakery and primarily sold to Orthodox Jews, and not a single one would sell a wedding cake to a for a same gender "Wedding", and 2 gay terrorists go around to every single kosher bakery in town they will force every single kosher bakery to close




cause you would make a good German, your good at following evil orders.
Then Orthodox Jews can open private membership only bakeries that only allow Jews. Seriously. YOUR re;igious beliefs do not give you special rights under the laws of commerce.
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