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Old 12-07-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I don't care where you stand on gay rights. This is absolutely ridiculous and just flat out wrong. The business owner's rights are now being violated in the name of PC.




Judge orders Colo. cake-maker to serve gay couples - seattlepi.com

 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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It's not PC. It's anti-discrimination law.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It's not PC. It's anti-discrimination law.
However, of course the discrimination of the business owner's religious beliefs is a non-issue.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:52 PM
 
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It's not PC. It's anti-discrimination law.
Absolutely not. You cannot force someone to violate their religious beliefs. If you think this is okay, just wait until the tables are turned on you. This affects your rights as well.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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I don't care where you stand on gay rights. This is absolutely ridiculous and just flat out wrong. The business owner's rights are now being violated in the name of PC.




Judge orders Colo. cake-maker to serve gay couples - seattlepi.com
His religious beliefs forbid him to bake cakes for gay people? What kind of stupid belief system is that?

Should be allowed to refuse service to black people too? What if he were a doctor? Should he be allowed to refuse to treat gay people?

We'll never outlaw bigotry, but we CAN outlaw discrimination disguised as "freedom of religion".
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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Absolutely not. You cannot force someone to violate their religious beliefs.
Actually, you can. Religious beliefs only apply in a religious institution. A place of public accommodation must accommodate people equally, based on traits defined by the jurisdiction.

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If you think this is okay, just wait until the tables are turned on you. This affects your rights as well.
Of course it does. Federally, I cannot turn anyone away from a business due to their religious beliefs, gender, race, etc. Nor can they turn me away for being gay in some states, but not federally. Colorado is one of those states. We all benefit from anti-discrimination law.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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Actually, you can. Religious beliefs only apply in a religious institution. A place of public accommodation must accommodate people equally, based on traits defined by the jurisdiction.

Of course it does. Federally, I cannot turn anyone away from a business due to their religious beliefs, gender, race, etc. Nor can they turn me away for being gay in some states, but not federally. Colorado is one of those states. We all benefit from anti-discrimination law.
So if a member of the Aryan Nation or KKK goes into a black or Jewish owned bakery and orders a cake with "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler" and swastikas on it and the baker refuses to make it should he be able to sue them? If not, then why not?
 
Old 12-07-2013, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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So if a member of the Aryan Nation or KKK goes into a black or Jewish owned bakery and orders a cake with "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler" and swastikas on it and the baker refuses to make it should he be able to sue them? If not, then why not?
No, because political beliefs are not covered under anti-discrimination law.
 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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Why do gay people like to make a big deal of it. Why not just move on and find another bakery. Who would want a bakery to create a wedding cake for their wedding after having to force the owner through a lawsuit to bake 'em a cake.

Ridiculous. Move along, gay couple.

Here's a tally from MSN home page:
Do you agree with the judge's ruling that the bakery must serve gay couples?
  1. Yes; it is a business.

    38 %

    Yes; it is a business.
    100,425 votes

  2. No; the owners have beliefs.

    60 %

    No; the owners have beliefs.
    156,614 votes

  3. I'm not sure.

    2 %

    I'm not sure.
    5,895 votes

 
Old 12-07-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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Why do gay people like to make a big deal of it. Why not just move on and find another bakery. Who would want a bakery to create a wedding cake for their wedding after having to force the owner through a lawsuit to bake 'em a cake.

Ridiculous. Move along, gay couple.
The bakery owners broke the law, plain and simple. Allowing that sets a very dangerous precedent.
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