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Old 12-09-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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So Republicans are marketing themselves as libertarians, but support tyrannical state and local governments?

I get why the GOP would want that. They want libertarianism to apply ONLY to the federal government, especially when they aren't in power. It's easier to corrupt and control smaller fiefdoms a la Mexico style. They'll tell you that an over-reaching police state local government full of corporate welfare is still libertarian since it's not the Feds.

I get that from a power angle, but why do regular people fall for this contradicting logic?

"Freedom for all! Wait, you can't do that near MY home."

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Old 12-09-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Modified title and post for clarity.

Incidentally, after I made this post, before I left the office I saw where my Republican mother-in-law made a Facebook post about how she is libertarian and how liberals hate libertarians. This is a woman who thinks all kinds of immoral things should be illegal, thinks Christianity should be promoted by the government, and supports her state government giving money to *select* companies for "economic development".

Yeah, so libertarian!
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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How about: Your post is a collection of strawmen and absurd generalizations.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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How about: Your post is a collection of strawmen and absurd generalizations.
There are numerous people on this board who claim to be aligned with both the Republican and libertarian parties. They claim to be Republican and also completely for freedom and free markets.

Yet, I bet they aren't when it boils down to it. At least not when it directly impacts them.

You for example. You're all about free markets, right? Its obvious from your post history hat you're a GOP supporter. You are a warrior for the cause. What do you think about local government tyranny? Did they train you to respond with "if you don't like it, move!"?
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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There are numerous people on this board who claim to be aligned with both the Republican and libertarian parties. They claim to be Republican and also completely for freedom and free markets.

Yet, I bet they aren't when it boils down to it. At least not when it directly impacts them.
Oh, now there's an assertion of solid fact.


NOT.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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So Republicans are marketing themselves as libertarians, but support tyrannical state and local governments?

I get why the GOP would want that. They want libertarianism to apply ONLY to the federal government, especially when they aren't in power. It's easier to corrupt and control smaller fiefdoms a la Mexico style. They'll tell you that an over-reaching police state local government full of corporate welfare is still libertarian since it's not the Feds.

I get that from a power angle, but why do regular people fall for this contradicting logic?

"Freedom for all! Wait, you can't do that near MY home."
I can't follow a word you said here.

Corporate Welfare? Are you talking about Obama's bailout of GM which cost American taxpayers $10.5 billion dollars or are you babbling about ObamaCare being the sweetest deal ever to fall in their lap?

So help me out here, what exactly are you talking about?
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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There are numerous people on this board who claim to be aligned with both the Republican and libertarian parties. They claim to be Republican and also completely for freedom and free markets.

Yet, I bet they aren't when it boils down to it. At least not when it directly impacts them.

You for example. You're all about free markets, right? Its obvious from your post history hat you're a GOP supporter. You are a warrior for the cause. What do you think about local government tyranny? Did they train you to respond with "if you don't like it, move!"?
So whats wrong with voting with your feet?

This is one of my major beefs with the average statist lefty. They seem to feel that every issue should be handled in exactly the same way, abortion, gun control, religious freedom, the environment, etc. So what is wrong with different areas having those different approaches? You don't like guns, fine, move to an area with strict controls. Don't like abortion restrictions? Well move somewhere where you can get one easily. The only answer I can think of that the statists don't want to give people choices, as they might make the ones the statists don't approve of. Really, what are you statists afraid of?
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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I can't follow a word you said here.

Corporate Welfare? Are you talking about Obama's bailout of GM which cost American taxpayers $10.5 billion dollars or are you babbling about ObamaCare being the sweetest deal ever to fall in their lap?

So help me out here, what exactly are you talking about?
I don't support Obama. He's a fraud and a liar. I don't support the Feds giving special treatment to select companies.

Do you support your governor or mayor giving special treatment, subsidized loans, or handouts to select companies? DO you?

At least I'm not a hypocrite.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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I don't support Obama. He's a fraud and a liar. I don't support the Feds giving special treatment to select companies.

Do you support your governor or mayor giving special treatment, subsidized loans, or handouts to select companies? DO you?

At least I'm not a hypocrite.
No, I never have been in favor of government giving any special treatment to any companies or individuals.

Government should not be involved in selecting winners and losers because they will always select losers.

Government should not be involved in welfare, public housing or charity of any kind because then they are selecting some Americans (or even illegal aliens) to be winners over other Americans.
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Old 12-09-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So Republicans are marketing themselves as libertarians, but support tyrannical state and local governments?

I get why the GOP would want that. They want libertarianism to apply ONLY to the federal government, especially when they aren't in power. It's easier to corrupt and control smaller fiefdoms a la Mexico style. They'll tell you that an over-reaching police state local government full of corporate welfare is still libertarian since it's not the Feds.

I get that from a power angle, but why do regular people fall for this contradicting logic?

"Freedom for all! Wait, you can't do that near MY home."
Yes, I noticed this on another thread.
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