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Old 12-07-2013, 09:30 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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I think this is wrong, so what could be done about this? Apparently, this sort of thing has been happening for a while and it may be happening to you. Most of us are unaware of the true cost of drugs and their alternatives, nor how good the alternatives may be for any given scenario.

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Avastin costs about $50 per injection.

Lucentis costs about $2,000 per injection.

Doctors choose the more expensive drug more than half a million times every year, a choice that costs the Medicare program, the largest single customer, an extra $1 billion or more annually.

Spending that much may make little sense for a country burdened by ever-
rising health bills, but as is often the case in American health care, there is a certain economic logic: Doctors and drugmakers profit when more-costly treatments are adopted.
An effective eye drug is available for $50. But many doctors choose a $2,000 alternative. - The Washington Post
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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What idiot wrote this article?

Avastin is an anti-cancer drug that affects various cancers blood supplies, and one of the most expensive drugs on the market. On average it costs as much as $100,000 a year!

Avastin (Bevacizumab) Price

If some one can get Avastin for $50 an injection, bets are it is counterfeit. Also, bets are this writer either lied or is completely clueless as this can be found with a 2 second Google search.

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Old 12-07-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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What idiot wrote this article?

Avastin is an anti-cancer drug that affects various cancers blood supplies, and one of the most expensive drugs on the market. On average it costs as much as $100,000 a year!

Avastin (Bevacizumab) Price

If some one can get Avastin for $50 an injection, bets are it is counterfeit. Also, bets are this writer either lied or is completely clueless as this can be found with a 2 second Google search.
The dose used to treat cancer is much higher than the dose used to treat macular degeneration.

The colon cancer dose is 5 to 10 mg per kg. For someone weighing 150 pounds, that would be about 350 mg to 700 mg, every 2 weeks, through a vein.

The dose for macular degeneration is 1.5 mg once per month, given directly into the vitreous fluid inside the eyeball. that is why the price is relatively small.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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There are also different types of Insulin and the cheapest is relative cheap and the other about 300 a month.there are a lot OF drugs to treat the same diseaseS.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:15 PM
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Location: New Jersey
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No surprise here. There is food readily available in East Asian countries that lowers cholesterol better than statins so the FDA banned it. 23 and me made a 200 dollar test that determines your risk of hundreds of genetic diseases (something you would have to pay a genetic MD thousands of dollars to do) and the FDA banned it. That's right; the FDA banned a simple test that just tells you if you do or do not have certain genetic markers. People are truly unaware of how influential the medical/pharma industry is in this country.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:42 PM
 
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The dose used to treat cancer is much higher than the dose used to treat macular degeneration.

The colon cancer dose is 5 to 10 mg per kg. For someone weighing 150 pounds, that would be about 350 mg to 700 mg, every 2 weeks, through a vein.

The dose for macular degeneration is 1.5 mg once per month, given directly into the vitreous fluid inside the eyeball. that is why the price is relatively small.
I am talking about labeled use...using it for degeneration is an unlabeled and sometimes very dangerous practice.

It has caused severe infections, blinded a number of people, and even caused a case of severe brain damage.

It is also actively discouraged by the people who make the product.

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Genentech said it would not comment on the litigation, but said that it had always cautioned against use of Avastin in the eye.

Avastin is not manufactured or approved and to date has not been proven safe for use in the eye,” a spokesman for the company said Tuesday.
It's not made for macular degeneration, it's a cancer drug. You can try it to save money at the expense of your health, eyesight, and in extreme cases maybe your life. Cheaper can sometimes work, like fishing food out of a dumpster instead of buying it from the grocery store...but there is a good reason it's cheap when you put your health at risk.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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Since my wife has personal experience with this, I will add my observation:

She was diagnosed with the 'wet' form of macular degeneration some 7 or 8 years ago. It was a scary diagnosis since, previously, there was no way to stop the process leading to blindness.

Fortunately, when she was diagnosed Lucentis was available (and had been for only a year or two). I believe that the injection (which is made into the afflicted eyeball) costs (under insurance!) about $6,000.00. The first injection was using Lucentis, and was effective.

However, one normally requires such an injection every few months, at least for the first year (my wife now gets one about every six months, with one just last week).

Early on the doctor (a specialist in such disorders) told her about Avastin (which I believe it used for colon cancer), saying that it was virtually the same as Lucentis, but cheaper (about $600.00). Avastin has been used ever since (i.e., after about the first or second shot of Lucentis).

One odd thing about the health insurance company: when the switch was made to Avastin, the insurance company initially refused to pay, saying it would only pay for Lucentis. Fortunately, the doctor called the insurance company and explained that $600 was less than $6,000, and so they, the insurance company, would benefit. The company agreed, and all has been well since that time.

The prices for the drug referred to in the article is puzzling, since it is not our experience. I wish the Avastin was only $50 or whatever.
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