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Old 12-08-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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He said nothing about conservatives; he was talking about Northerners and Southerners. With respect to that point about the rule of law, he was probably referring to the South's penchant for libertarianism in some respects and its historic stance on state's rights. But either way, don't go down the political road as this isn't the forum for it and definitely don't follow this guy up.
If this is inappropriate for this particular thread, I'll leave it up to the mods to make that determination.
And there is certainly a correlation between Conservatism and the South. I certainly dont think that Libertarianism and the Rule of Law are mutually exclusive concepts; in fact, far from it. The simplest explanation of Rule of Law is that no individual, not even a head of state, exists above the law. It certainly lines up with a Libertarian belief system as well as a concept that would hold importance for a society that was as isolated, self-determined and agrarian as the American South was in its early history.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:19 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Two vastly different entities stuck in the same country thru a quirk of history. Time to move on without each other. The North and South share almost none of the same values nor culture. One region (South) is anti-govt and anti-tax, the other believes in the rule of law and sensible responsible govt.
I don't see how legalizing marijuana and rewarding illegal immigration against federal laws promote the "rule of law". I also don't see how opposing the death penalty and liberal judges refusing to send people to prison for long terms promote the rule of law. I would prefer not having lots of laws but if they are going to pass a law then they must enforce it.

I would not include plastic bag taxes or soda bans, or banning trans fats in restaurants, or forcing privately owned businesses to ban smoking to be "sensible". I think the latter 3 actually infringe on individual property rights and the rights of business owners.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Being a member of an organized religion and being individualistic are mutually exclusive. One cannot be defined as individualistic and cling to the religious herd. I like the south but it is certainly not individualistic.
I disagree with this. The Northeast is very atheist yet people have a very collectivist mentality when it comes to taxes, urban planning, public policy, etc. Many churches in the South are independent churches while the Catholic church that predominates in the Northeast is way more "organized" in that they are divided between churches, parishes, archdioceses, etc that eventually answer to the Pope, almost like the way a large corporation has regional and district managers, etc.

And by the way saying schools should ALLOW school prayer isn't forcing my religion on others. Demanding that ALL schools allow prayer time would be.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Religion and Politics shouldn't be brought up, Atheist and Religious people are found in all 50 states not just the South or Northeast. Same for politics, you can find plenty of far right Republican s in the northeast and plenty of far left Democrats in the south

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Old 12-08-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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If this is inappropriate for this particular thread, I'll leave it up to the mods to make that determination.
And there is certainly a correlation between Conservatism and the South. I certainly dont think that Libertarianism and the Rule of Law are mutually exclusive concepts; in fact, far from it. The simplest explanation of Rule of Law is that no individual, not even a head of state, exists above the law. It certainly lines up with a Libertarian belief system as well as a concept that would hold importance for a society that was as isolated, self-determined and agrarian as the American South was in its early history.
And the mods probably will.

At any rate, you're making a correlation but it's not what he actually said; he said Northerners and Southerners, not conservatives and liberals. He was making a point about regional distinctives and I disagree with his broadbrushed assumptions and unfortunately, you're essentially doing the same thing.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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And the mods probably will.

At any rate, you're making a correlation but it's not what he actually said; he said Northerners and Southerners, not conservatives and liberals. He was making a point about regional distinctives and I disagree with his broadbrushed assumptions and unfortunately, you're essentially doing the same thing.
Ever seen a map of election results? Red States? Blue States? No regional correlation? Of course political affiliation in this country plays deeply into a discussion of regional attributes and differences, particularly if that discussion is focusing on individualism and self-determination. To suggest otherwise is naive.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I think regional differences are greatly exaggerated. People are basically people and I'd wager there's more difference between city/ country people than two city people in different states or even regions.
Bingo. Most of the divide seems to come from rural vs. urban/city. I'm from Minnesota and have lived all over the state of Georgia for the past 7 years. My grandmother lives in northern Minnesota way in the hinterlands and honestly the people up there are just as "redneck" or "country" as any Georgian I've ever met. I mean little farming communities in Minnesota caused Minnesota to vote for Rick Santorum in the GOP primary.
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Two vastly different entities stuck in the same country thru a quirk of history. Time to move on without each other. The North and South share almost none of the same values nor culture. One region (South) is anti-govt and anti-tax, the other believes in the rule of law and sensible responsible govt.

Anti-govt and anti-tax is constitutional.

I take it you mean the north believes in the rule of law...Does that include DC, home of those who eschew the law and having no concept of responsible government?

Quit standing on your head.
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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And the mods probably will.

At any rate, you're making a correlation but it's not what he actually said; he said Northerners and Southerners, not conservatives and liberals. He was making a point about regional distinctives and I disagree with his broadbrushed assumptions and unfortunately, you're essentially doing the same thing.
What do you think he meant by Northerners and Southerners? Going by his running narrative Northerners are good liberals and Southerners are bad conservatives hinging on evil redneck.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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So what do y'all think of collectivism and individualism in the South vs the Northeast and Midwest?
I think you have no idea what either of those is.
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